Finally did research on Roy Jones. He actually did avoid most of the top MW-SMW.

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  1. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This thread is hilarious. A sure sign of fan bias in boxing is to watch posters consistently and stridently blame *one* fighter for a match not getting made, without offering any evidential support whatsoever.

    It's like all the Pac/Mayweather garbage over the years.

    Love him or hate him, Jones is an ATG who in his prime would have been the betting favorite over every single fighter he's accused of ducking.
     
  2. Mind Reader

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    I must say I have missed Joe Zero.. Too much is going on in my life right now for me to really engage in debates, but his posts are always fun. He is a valuable asset to Team Elite.

    Do not forget I am the proud owner of 3 Team Elite awards.. Something more valuable than 1,000,000 profile views. Lol
     
  3. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    "I got a question: Have you got any excuses tonight Roy?"
     
  4. Rock0052

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    I'll give you Toney, but in what universe was that prime Hopkins?
     
  5. Richmondpete

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    He fought toney and Hopkins the only 2 guys I felt i needed to see him beat at mw
     
  6. Mind Reader

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    I don't feel it was prime Roy either, plus he was injured. I can see that fight being a measuring stick for what would have likely happened before Roy moved up to HW. Shame it didn't.
     
  7. Serge

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    Comical isn't it. :lol:

    Same as that delusional dwarf Montell Griffin when he lost to Dariusz too.

    He blamed the loss against Roy on not being warmed up properly as well.

    Montell Griffin

    ''Roy is not close to being the hardest puncher to ever hit me. But he was so fast that his speed was power. And you know, it's out there now, so it ain't no big secret, but he tested positive for steroids. People always questioned it, but then he tested positive and failed a test and it made me think he was on steroids for all of those fights''

    ''Roy Jones is a great fighter—one of the greatest fighters ever, but like I said, when I found out he failed the steroid test I just lost a lot of respect for him because I just thought he was on steroids when he beat me so that’s the only way I can look at it.”

    So when I took the knee, I pulled back, went down on my knee, and looked at up at the referee to start his count. By the time I looked up, the man hit me. He hit me the first time and it caught me off guard and then he loaded up and hit me the second time and at that point I could hear everything that was going on but it was like my body was paralyzed. I couldn’t move, I couldn’t do anything, I was trying to get up but I couldn’t move and I heard the referee counting and I was like, ‘Man, I can’t believe this! They’re going to count me out on this dirty punch.’ When I got up, came to, and got my faculties together I heard my brother say to Larry to disqualify Roy. Roy came over and apologized to me on like three occasions, said he was sorry. As we found out later on in his career that he failed steroid tests so I just feel that he was having roid rage. He was frustrated from what I was doing to him, he caught roid rage, he was frustrated so he hit me.''

    ''Like I said, when he failed the steroid test it kind of hurt me because of course me feeling like I was cheated, and because I looked up to this guy. Knowing that he cheated, it kind of took a little away from him.''

    Funny thing was when he was asked how a match up between prime Roy and Dariusz would go he didn't mention anything about steroids at all :patsch
     
  8. Serge

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    Regarding his rematch with Roy Jones five months after their original encounter:
    “The two major things that were different in that fight—the most major part of that fight—and like I said, I don’t have to make no excuses. It’s over. It’s thirteen years ago. I didn’t warm up five minutes for that fight. One of my trainers, Kenny Crooms, had went to Roy’s room to watch him get his hands wrapped. He came back to the dressing room and said, ‘Man, Roy Jones is dressed, warming up, and sweating’, and I had on street clothes and I’m like, ‘Why?’ I don’t have to lie. It’s all in the past. There was a sign on the door that said ‘Get ready at 10:45, the fight will be starting at 11’. So this was much earlier than 10:45, I was sitting in my street clothes when they told me I had two minutes to get into the ring. I don’t have to lie. It’s over with, it’s been done. I forgot his name, John—I forgot his last name, but John actually told Chris Byrd that it’s a shame what they did to Montell, how they just rushed him out there. Roy Jones is a great fighter—one of the greatest fighters ever, but like I said, when I found out he failed the steroid test I just lost a lot of respect for him because I just thought he was on steroids when he beat me so that’s the only way I can look at it.”
     
  9. Serge

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    On his fight against WBO champion Dariusz Michalczewski:
    “I went to Germany which was no big deal. Even though it was a professional, I went to Russia I beat the Russian in the amateurs. It was no big deal to me. I went to Germany. It was a nice city, it was way better than I thought. I got in the ring with Dariusz Michaelczewski, one of the greatest fighters ever, and I beat the man easy for three rounds. The man hit me with a couple of shots after the bell rang and Joe Cortez stopped the fight. Now you tell me why they stopped the fight? I’m glad when you said you saw the fight. I don’t have too much else I have to say. I was winning on all three scorecards, I beat the man easy for three rounds, he threw a couple of punches after the bell rang, I didn’t get knocked down, I wasn’t wobbled or nothing, and Joe Cortez—an American referee—stopped the fight. So you tell me?

    Like I said, I’ve been BS’d my whole career. The Eric Harding fight I was BS’d—my second loss. I was the number two/number three man in the world looking for a rematch with Roy Jones. The man ran like a girl for twelve rounds, they robbed me. I go to Germany, Dariusz Michaelczewski, I beat him easily—they stop the fight for no reason. So that was my third fight that I lost that I felt I got cheated out of again after getting cheated out of the Olympics in ’92.

    I got cheated out of my Gold Medal in ’92, then I turn pro, I get cheated out of three straight fights. I was just tired of it. So I said I was going to quit, I was going to retire. I was just tired of it. So I sat around for eight or nine months and got bored afterwards and said okay, I’ll come back. Like I said, that was my third loss.

    Then I fought Rico Hoye, I get robbed on national TV—again. That was my fourth loss. Then I fight Julio Gonzalez, the man head butted me twelve times. I was bleeding like a pig, but then he gets cut after the fourth round then they stop the fight because they could go to the scorecards. So like I said, it’s just been happening my whole career.

    I fought Glen Johnson in Florida in his backyard—which I blame myself for that fight. I wanted to win that fight so bad, and I got the opportunity and I was just so happy. I trained so hard that I burned myself out. I killed myself dead in the gym. Not to take anything away from Glen Johnson. He won the fight. That’s one of the fights I can say I lost. I went in there, I tried to be at my best, I burned myself out in training and I lost.

    Same fight after that, I go to Russia. The whole thing, I knew I was fighting a young kid without that much experience. So my thing was take him in the late rounds. The ninth/tenth round, tenth/eleventh round he was dead tired. I’m picking it up, I’m ready to knock him out, the man head butts me. I look at the referee, the referee told him to jump on me. So that’s just my whole career. I love this game to death. I don’t think that this game gave me back what I put into it, but I love boxing. Do I love who controls the game and all the dirty stuff that goes on with the game? No, but hey it is what it is. One thing I have learned as I grew up and got older and I was humbled, I just came to the fact that hey, you got to play the cards you were dealt. Everybody can’t be Oscar De La Hoya, everybody can’t be Sugar Ray Leonard, so just do the best with what God blessed you with and the opportunities you got and the position you got out in and that’s what I did.”
     
  10. Mind Reader

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    Hahaha. Though I think Griffin-DM was borderline stopped just a little early. As soon as I heard the midget start talking I wished DM would have came over and punched him again...

    Not because I hated the whiny dwarfs voice. But possibly a DQ to see Jones-Griffin 3 in Pensacola for the lineal title. Lol
     
  11. Serge

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  12. Rock0052

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    Agreed. It was the first title fight for both guys, and an appetizer for the main course rematch we should've gotten a decade before we did.
     
  13. Mind Reader

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  14. Serge

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    Yeah but his account of what happened was BS.


    :lol: I guess when you blow someone out like Roy did to him in the second fight that kind of puts an end to any consideration of a rematch or doing it a third time lol
     
  15. bailey

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    Was Hopkins prime then? Who had he beaten at that time? In fact Hopkins didnt go on and win a world title in his next attempt after that.
    Toney was not beating top SMWs when Roy fought him and was not a top LHW