What most people don't understand about Frazier-Foreman II.

As most of you may know, I'm one of the very few who thinks Prime Frazier beats Foreman. One of my reasons is a big one that most people don't understand. I've posted this here before.

As most, if not all, of you know, Joe was shot for Foreman II, progressively arthritic, nearly 25 pounds above his peak weight, legally blind, to the point where he went in to the fight, wearing contact lens to try to restore some of his vision "which got knocked out."

What you don't know however, is despite all of these problems, Frazier lasted longer on his feet than any defeated opponent of George's in his wins between Peralta II and Jimmy Young. That gets overlooked. Lyle got dropped twice in the fourth, while Pires, although never knocked off his feet, did not answer the bell for round five. Old, arthritic, overweight and blind Joe Frazier is the ONLY one of Foreman's defeated opponents between Peralta II and Young to answer the bell for round five without having yet been dropped in the match. :think

So it's not to hard to invision Prime Frazier getting past the early rounds against Foreman, taking him to deep waters, and drowning him. At the very least, we don't have to wonder if Frazier could get out of the early rounds against Foreman. He did.

 

This is irrelevant because he still faced and lasted longer against the same Foreman than anyone from 1976-1977.

But I'll refute it anyways. I wouldn't say Foreman was very much slowed down. Frazier lasted longer against a smarter Foreman.

 

Yes, but this was also a smarter Foreman. Frazier did what Lyle couldn't do in making it to the fifth round without being dropped.
Also I'd like to ask you a question. Do you think a prime Frazier using these tactics would've beaten this Foreman?

 

I disagree with this. Frazier fought a very good fight in 1976. Don't forget, Kingston Foreman had a lot less stamina. Notice, how after the first round, Foreman slumped into his corner.

 

It was a major accomplishment, given the style match up, what happened in Jamaica, his condition at the time, and most importantly, he lasted longer than anyone else in Foreman's wins between Peralta II and Young, and the fact that he was also the only man between Foreman's wins between Peralta II and young, to answer the bell for round five, without having yet been dropped in the match.

I agree. He only won one round.

Foreman was definitely getting tired.

Again, I agree.

In 1976 Foreman was tiring after five rounds as was Frazier. If you replace that COMPLETELY SHOT Frazier with the one from 1971, instead of tiring, Joe will start smoking and getting better and better. He wouldn't gas. Foreman would gas even more, Ali barely worked Foreman's body yet he was exhausted by round eight. Frazier was one of the best body punchers. Foreman would be gassed by round five Imo.

:rofl Based on what? The fact that he lost two out of their three fights despite being much closer to his prime?

 

I honestly can't believe how much of you, are acting like Frazier's stamina would be irrelevant.

 

Late 1968-1971 Frazier with 1976 tactics fighting 1976 Foreman. Foreman was already getting tired, by the end of their fight. So that alone, proves stamina would be an issue. Add to the fact that 1971 Frazier hit much harder, had much better body work, worlds faster (Foreman would have to step up his pace) better defense (He'd make Foreman miss much much more) and had a lot more stamina than his 1976 counterpart, then it's rather clear, that stamina would be an issue.

This Frazier also threw more punches, and most importantly could time at range.

 

Couldn't be further from the truth.