If Holyfield was a few years younger against Lewis

Frazier fought Foreman stupidly. It wasn't mainly because of his style. It was because the way he fought him. Their is a difference. He should've deployed the strategy he used in the second fight. He kept putting his head back in the eye of the hurricane. It made him vulnerable to many shots, including Foreman's viscious uppercuts. I'm surprised he wasn't knocked down more. But my point, anyone hit like that is going down. No question. The question is, who's getting up? :think

 

I don't understand what you're saying

Officially yes? In the eyes of most people? No

I don't think you understand how boxing works. Frazier was only 30 in 1974. Ali was 32. Do you really think Frazier was better than Ali in 1974? Frazier was 32 in 1976 and Ali was 34. I'm waiting for you to use the re****ed argument, Frazier was somehow better in 1976. It's not just age. it's the wear and tear the body endures. Lewis started much later than Holyfield and peaked much Later. Holyfield had reached his heavyweight peak nearly ten years earlier, while Lewis hadn't. If you really think Holyfield was prime, you should just go to the general forum with all the other ignoramuses.

I wouldn't say he was prime in the first fight. It's definitely not indisputable. And Bowe's win wasn't decisive. Also you're changing goal posts. You just said (or at least strongly implied) Holyfield wasn't old and to past it (if at all), now you're saying he was prime seven years earlier.

Bowe beat Lewis before both turned pro.

You probably have, but I'm sure you just "conveniently forgot"

An old Holyfield got robbed against a prime Lewis. You don't think, a peak Holyfield could at the very least, emulate that performance?

 

I thought Holyfield won the second fight

 

The troll is truly in his element.

Dempsey gets KO'd the excuses flow like wine, Lewis gets KO'd and that means he'd loose every mythical match up in history.

Lewis down twice in his career:

Frazier, Foreman, Tyson down twice in one fight.

Lewis down twice in his career:

Foreman down against Ali, Young, and Lyle a total of 4 times, lost two of those fights.


seems to me a lot of fighters have weaker chins than Lewis if you want to start getting into the numbers.

 

Better be careful saying that around here. I don't mind but you might be labeled as a Holyfield fanboy and a troll.

 

You're in your element now?

I'd love to see, Lewis face anybody let alone someone who hit nearly as hard as fireman Flynn, without food for three days.
Lewis down twice in his career:

Against punchers weaker than McCall?
Lewis down twice in his career:

Against Ali and young, it was stamina more than anything. Against Lyle, he had just come off a two year hiatus, and looked for the most dangerous fighter of all. He chose Lyle after he knocked out the hardest puncher of all time (along with Foreman and Liston)

There are many fighters who had worse Chins than Lewis. However Frazier and Dempsey are not on that list.

 

That's because if it were up to you, you'd say the first fight was a draw and Holyfield won the second fight...

And if you could plausibly find a way of Holyfield winning the first fight you'd be going down that road too.

 

The first fight was a draw. Lewis won the second. Also, I'm happy you've returned from your special Ed class. Now you can answer my questions that you've kept ignoring or getting around.

 

You sure pull out the excuses when fighters you like get KO'd or go down, but no benefit of the doubt for one particular fighters huh? Who cares WHY a fighter was KO'd or knocked down the fact is it either happened or it never.

Dempsey got KO'd in one round against a sub 200lb fighter who doesn't have much of a KO record. And Firpo wasn't exactly a KO machine either, and Dempsey needed audience participation to win that fight. And he was also knocked down against Tunney, so he was down many more times than Lewis was. At least 4 times, of which he was KO'd in very dramatic fashion one of those times.

If you think Flynn has more power than either McCall or Rahman, then you truly are brain dead.

 

Frazier was down more times than Lewis was too, now that you mention it. In fact he was down in one fight as many times a Lewis was in his entire career, not one, not twice, but three times. (in other words, repeatedly)

Let's see, knocked down against Bruce, Bonavena x2, Foreman 2*2 = 4 equals about 7 times, in four matched.

 

You're a hypocrite because you use excuses for Lewis's ko losses while ignoring the fact that Dempsey had gone three days without food before his only KO loss.

... Then you have the nerve to call me a troll.

Once again, Dempsey had gone for food for three days. Are you really using weight as your argument that Flynn didn't hit hard. Marciano was also a sub 200lb fighter so I guess he didn't hit hard.

Also, their is a possibility that Dempsey took a dive.

Good god, could you possibly stoop any lower? atsch

Are you referring to Dempsey's third fight in four years, when he got up immediately?

Well Flynn was the only man to ever knock out Jack Dempsey.

 

I'm not using ANY excuses whatsoever, and I'll invite you to do the same.

Flynn KO'd Dempsey in 1 round, end of story, no excuses.

Firpo dropped Dempsey twice, which is the number of times Lewis was down in his entire career. End of story, no excuses

Tunney drop Dempsey as well, end of story, no excuses

Dempsey was dropped 4 times, and got KO'd in one of those four. End of story.
no excuses

Lewis was down twice in his career, both resulting in KO's. End of story, no excuses.

And Lewis was never KO'd by a sub 200lb fighter, end of story.

 

Well if that doesn't tell us everything we need to know about you and your agenda, I don't know what does.

 

Swag. Trust me. You are as lost as anyone could be regarding Frazier Foreman. So lost I refuse to post further comments concerning this subject.

 

My point was, It's not as "unanimous" that Lewis is better than you're making it out to be.