BS excuses for Donaire's loss to Walters. Walters a huge featherweight?

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  1. The Akbar One

    The Akbar One Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    After the Axe Man Chopped Donaire down, people like HBO ****yst Max Kellerman seemed overly apologetic for the beat down making excuses. Kellerman repeatedly stated things to the effect Walters is a huge huge featherweight... Walters is a welterweight in a featherweights body, Walters was too big. etc. etc. Fans, and even some writers took up the apologetic propaganda and incorporated it into their excuse game as well, without looking at boxers in the featherweight division to see if what they were spewing about Walters' giant size was even true. Fact is, if Walters was a huge featherweight, then half the men in the division are huge featherweights. Walters' height isn't out of the ordinary for the weight class. Walters in ring weight of 138 against Donaire, wasn't an outlier for the weight class either, with featherweights like Lomachenko, Gradovich, Velez,Russell Jr. and others, also weighing at least that in the ring for bouts at featherweight. Also, so what Walters had five pounds on Donaire, and an inch in height, it's part of the current fight game. Walters also killed himself to make weight. If Donaire was serious about making a run at featherweight, maybe he should have gotten with a strength and conditioning coach, and put on some muscle mass, instead of simply eating his way up to the weight, maybe get a little toughness as well. Men shorter than Donaire, compete at the weight class, and don't use size excuses. Also, Donaire often had more than an inch, and five pounds or more in weight advantage over many of the smaller opponents he faced. Was he just too big for them too? A real pound for pound guy, should not have had a problem with a man a little bigger than him in the ring. We all saw Donaire have three inches in height, as well as noticeably mass advantage(some rumors, as much as 17 pounds) in the ring against Rigondeaux. It didn't matter though. Is Donaire that beloved, that people start pulling bullsh!t out of their ****s, to be apologetic for his defeat? Below is a list of some World ranked featherweights who are near Walters in height for comparison purposes.

    Walters 5'7 weighed 138 against Donaire.
    Santa Cruz 5'7 1/2 to 5'8
    Selby 5'8 1/2 to 5'9
    Vetyeka 5'7 1/2
    Lomachenko 5'6 1/2 has weighed 138 for a featherweight bout before.
    Sonjica 5'7
    Hosono 5'7
    Komanisi 5'9
    Warrington 5'7
    Gradovich 5'8 has weighed 140 for a featherweight bout before.
    Amagasa 5'10 1/2
    Velez 5'8 1/2 has weighed 137 for a featherweight bout before
     
  2. Beenie

    Beenie Evolve already! Full Member

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    It's obvious that Donaire was HBO's small fighter darling for a while. The network has been trying to generate interest in the smaller weight classes over the last few years and Donaire has a been a big part of that agenda. So perhaps their apologetic position for him is a bit bias. That said, Walters appears to be a rather strong FW, at least from my perspective.

    Donaire is still a tough out for anybody at FW. He'd be a tough out for Walters in a rematch for the simple reason that he's dangerous when exchanging. Walters already has demonstrated that he can be badly hurt by Nonito's left hook.
     
  3. Cafe

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    Nonito comes from lower weightclass, Walters now can't make the limit in the one they fought at. No doubt he was the smaller guy.
     
  4. The Akbar One

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    That he was smaller wasn't my point. I acknowledged the one inch in height, and five pounds in the ring. My point was that Walters' size at featherweight, wasn't out of the norm. He isn't the tallest, nor has he weighed the heaviest in the ring on fight night. Donaire may have gotten drilled like that by any number of the bigger men at featherweight, who could take his punch and dish it back. To try and lessen the blow, by making Walters out to be some freak of nature, in size featherweight, was/is ridiculous though.
     
  5. Cafe

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    Maybe not freak big but he does seem pretty big at FW, he looked even bigger to me than Marriaga who is supposedly taller than he is, the fact that he couldn't make the weight anymore in a quite important fight, not some throwaway bout says enough to me.

    Nonito is not a featherweight so when you couple the two together, it's a fair excuse in my eyes.
     
  6. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Nonito was a career Flyweight Bantamweight, his power faded when he moved up to Super Bantamweight, that was bordering on a bridge too far, finally he makes his way all the way up to Featherweight which was beyond a bridge too far.

    Walters is a natural Lightweight straining get down to FW Donaire is natural Bantam straining to get up to FW. It's a pretty valid excuse to me.

    Walters is the Featherweight version of Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
     
  7. The Akbar One

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    The Marriaga fight was post Donaire chop down, and has no bearing on it. Also, Walters was fighting an undefeated power puncher, who had beaten him in the amateurs, so he refused to make weight to keep an advantage. Walters even says that he could make 126 for a big fight right now, even though using the excuse post Marriaga, that he could no longer make featherweight. Which suggest he missed weight on purpose. My point though was that, Walters wasn't a huge featherweight. He might be a little above average for the weight class, but saying he is huge is more than a little misleading. Huge compared to Donaire? Is an inch and five pounds huge in comparison? Not really. Is three inches, and 17 pounds huge? Yup, but nobody was complaining about that, because Donaire was the one with the advantage.

    I agree Donaire is not a featherweight. I would further state, he got what was coming to him, not taking the move up in weight seriously. He should have got with a strength coach and gained some muscle mass and strength if he was serious about the move. But to claim Walters huge, then you are also claiming half the featherweight division is huge.
     
  8. The Akbar One

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    Walters weighed 138 in the ring, for one fight fought at the featherweight limit. He was lighter than that in previous featherweight bouts. What makes him huge, in a weight class that had Gradovich, Velez, Selby, Amagasa, etc. His size for the weight class wasn't extraordinary.
     
  9. Cafe

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    He missed the weight to gain an advantage sabotaging his fight with Lomachenko and losing his title early in his "reign"? I doubt that, he said he could make it for a big fight but even so "for a big fight", which means he's not really comfortable at the weight, he has to try at it and would rather fight at 130.

    It has bearing on that fight because I don't think Walters actually got bigger since then, it's more likely that weight cutting has caught up to him and he's not able to make it anymore and he isn't even a really old guy, he's 29 isn't he?

    Oh and Nonito definitely had a huge size advantage over Rigo, most people do at SBW, Rigo is quite small for the weight class.
     
  10. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    It's his physique, his build not his height and weight. Canelo Alvarez is the same size as Mayweather but Canelo is much bigger physically. Nonito is scrawny and not used to that weight, and looked bad against Vetyeka, Walters is one of the thicker FW's I've seen in awhile.
     
  11. The Akbar One

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    There are other muscular guys at feather, who are Walters size. Just look at the weigh ins at featherweight.
     
  12. Pimp C

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    Donaire dwarfed Vic D in the ring back when they were both at 112. I like Donaire but he enjoyed the size advantage in most of his fights in his career especially under 126.
     
  13. VG_Addict

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    Selby is big at FW too.
     
  14. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    True. It's a pretty common thread I'm boxing, but particularly in the lowest weight classes when the weight separations are so narrow.
     
  15. Peril

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    Donaire is the HBO darling, so there is bias. That being said, he did look like he was a weight class lower when he was in the ring with Walters.

    Poor Donaire, he got beat up fighting a smaller guy, then beat up by a bigger guy