Billy Joe Saunders: How To Overvalue Yourself 1.0

Fair enough.

I think BJS would beat Canelo, Lemieux, and N'dam, and I would accordingly favor him against all those guys.

Jacobs I think would match-up better with BJS than any of the other guys you listed, and I view that one as a 50-50 type fight.

 

I'm not convinced that Canelo-GGG will happen in September, and I also remain unconvinced that the WBC will strip Canelo.

In fact, a unification bout is exactly the type of move I can see the WBC allowing to further push Golovkin's shot back. Would not surprise me one bit, actually. The only reason I deem a Canelo-BJS showdown as being unlikely, is because I'm not convinced Canelo's people believe he can beat Saunders.

If they did, they'd probably be apt to take that route.

 

I agree and I think he beats Jacobs as well.

 

I tend to think he beats Jacobs as well, but I could see that one going either way.

My main point is, Barcham acts as if BJS is almost certainly going to lose his title in the next year or so. Could be, but I think BJS is good enough that he can string together a few defenses.

If BJS does string together some defenses, then the money on the table to face Golovkin now - while reportedly a greater sum than BJS has ever made - is still a huge risk!

It's never about how much money you can make for one particular fight. It's about how much money you can make the next 4-5 fights.

If BJS faces Golovkin now, it's a near certain loss that derails any would-be momentume.

But if BJS strings together a few defenses, and then fights GGG - say in late 2017 - he stands to make more during that stretch than he would if he simply faces Golovkin now.

And I think this point is obviously amplified by the fact that Lemieux, while deserving credit for diving right into the GGG fight, certainly put himself in a position where he will make less money than he would have had he steered around the Golovkin fight.

Although, in my mind, Lemieux is a good deal less talented than BJS.

So he would have needed to pursue more carefully matched defenses than what I feel BJS can tackle now.

 

Jesus not with same lame ass trope, 7-5 at the worst for BJS 8-4 in reality for BJS. Saunders easily swept the first 6 rounds so at best and that's a huge stretch Eubank could argue it was a draw, and even then he would be wrong.

 

Maybe. But if you're correct in thinking it will be a job by BJS where Canelo wins even if he doesn't deserve it, then it makes sense for both parties to me.

Canelo can do what Tyson did with Seldon. Unify a second title and drop the one with the incredible mandatory (GGG in this case, Lewis in Tyson's case). Then Canelo would be able to bypass Golovkin for a unification bout, BJS will make the money he's looking for, and Canelo can drop the WBC in favor of the WBO.

So given all that, I do think there's doubts in Canelo's camp about whether he can beat BJS. And I don't think Canelo CAN beat BJS. At least not without some help from the judges.

:smoke

 

Barcham and QuadrupleGGGGG have issues with BJS I've noticed, as with anyone who happens to get a belt at MW not named GGG.

And they've been maligning him since he won his belt on here, and don't seem to be able to fully process how skilled he is.

I agree with what you said pretty much spot on, people on here don't want to look at things long term nor do K2 and GGG, what good would a victory over BJS do GGG at this point? None at all, he's not a name yet and if he beats him like he most likely will, he'll be called just another bum by all of GGG's detractors. It wouldn't hurt to let a kid like Billy Joe build up his resume for the next year, and then take him out when he's made a name for himself, I think they jumped the gun on Lemieux as well, they should have let David win a match over another contender or two to make GGG's win over him far more significant.

 

Canelo Alvarez?