What most people don't understand about Frazier-Foreman II.

If you weigh more, you can absorb more punishment and out work - our out last your opponents clinching to a greater degree without getting tired. Bouncing around the ring wont be as good due, but the need for bouncing wont be as big either...

What a silly comment...

 

I do agree it was a premature stoppage. Chuvalo returned fire with half a dozen punches during that barrage, not strictly defending himself, or not even attempting a single punch as Lyle failed to do while foundering during Ali's final 46 punches during their title fight. Chuvalo had proved with Frazier that he knew when to turn away and quit.

Foreman-Chuvalo is more comparable to round seven of Foreman-Young. Mercante stopped it because Irv Ungerman was climbing into the ring, unnerved by Lynn Chuvalo's panicked tears at ringside, leaving the referee with no choice. However, all of Foreman's best punches following the hooks which began that barrage were hard jabs, and Chuvalo's retreat was slow and controlled, not a foundering stumble.

Today, Chuvalo, like LaMotta, is not somebody who closed captioning is required to understand in an interview, bearing some testimony to the claims of both that they were underrated on defense. Again, Chuvalo himself proved against Frazier that he knew the proper moment to concede a match. He wasn't there yet with Foreman.

 

Chuvalo did not quit vs Foreman but was taking a horrific beating. Add to this he did not win one second of the bout up until the stoppage. Difference between Ali's fight with Lyle and this bout was that Lyle was competitive for 10 rounds up until the stoppage. Foreman Chuvalo was a one sided beating from beginning to end.

 

No really! I often get turned off by this site due to the pedantic blowhards and nationalistic dweebs who are keyboard tough guys being unnecessarily rude in a manner they wouldn't have the spine for in person. This is the sort of thing that compensates for it, a knowledgeable fan breaking down the second round of the second Foreman Frazier fight! This is great!

 

Good point. Chuvalo sticks to this claim today. He says that Foreman was losing steam and he immediately screamed at Mercante for stopping it.

 

Yes only slightly better. Lasting three more rounds before getting brutally KO'd again is not what I'd call a massive improvement. Did Frazier win? Nope. Did he even come close to winning? Nope. Did he once again get KO'd after suffering multiple knockdowns? Yes. Like I said, the rematch only looks better for Frazier because after the first bout it could hardly have been worse. Only you are impressed by that.

You don't know what you're saying half the time. You contradict yourself constantly. You placed Ali's prime in 67 and Frazier's in 71. That makes the FOTC the one closest to the primes.

So, did Frazier become arthritic and legally blind in the eight months between Manila and Foreman II, or did he have those conditions already? Childish insults are not an answer. We both know why you can't give a proper one.

Do you think if Frazier had been "angry" with Foreman he would have fared any better? You'd think being knocked down six times would have made him angry.

Foreman and Ali both fought Frazier in the same time frame, once a year from 73-76. They were fighting the same fighter. But now you've realised that trashing Foreman's wins over Frazier also undermines Ali's wins over him. So you're trying to argue that somehow Frazier was much better whenever he fought Ali. He wasn't. He just looked better because he was fighting someone who made him look better.

Ever considered that maybe it was because Frazier had the right style and attributes to take Ali to hell and back, and the wrong style and attributes to beat someone like Foreman. Do you think it was an accident that he always fared much better against Ali even though their fights were in the same time frame?

Do you think Ali would have KO'd Frazier in five rounds in 76? How about the rest of the top 10 in 1976?

 

This is a non fight. Foreman crushes

 

NY Daily News June 16th 1976. **** Young
"Foreman won every round although the Coliseum crowd cheered Fraziers every punch whether it landed or not".

 

Swag

Please substantiate your claim above that Frazier didn't train "at all" for Foreman I. Good luck.

People say some crazy stuff on here off the top of their heads without citing sources.

Your claim is one I have never heard before.

 

Nice post.

 

**** Young was a big Frazier fan by the way. Even he wrote that "Foreman won every round."

One sided bout and if you really did follow the sport during that time, and you didn't, you would KNOW this as fact.