Did Frazier do better in his second fight with Foreman?

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  1. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    I'm actually debating with a poster on here who said Frazier didn't do better in his second fight.:-(
    Frazier was shot for Foreman II, progressively arthritic, nearly 25 pounds above his peak weight, legally blind, to the point where he went in to the fight, wearing contact lens(which got knocked out) to try to restore some of his vision.
    Despite all this, Frazier lasted longer on his feet than any defeated opponent of George's in his wins between Peralta II and Jimmy Young. That gets overlooked. Lyle got dropped twice in the fourth, while Pires, although never knocked off his feet, did not answer the bell for round five. Old, arthritic, overweight, and blind Joe Frazier is the ONLY one of Foreman's defeated opponents between Peralta II and Young to answer the bell for round five without having yet been dropped in the match. :think
     
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  2. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    A combination of a different strategy and Foreman trying to box patiently allowed Joe to survive longer but he could only delay the inevitable.
     
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  3. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Would you say he did better however?
     
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  4. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    Well, you could argue that he won a round so I'd say yes.
     
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  5. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes, of course he improved upon his first fight with Foreman.
     
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  6. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, he did better. It would be hard not to the way he got destroyed in the first fight.

    The second part of your post is cut and pasted from a previous thread and has been discussed ad nauseum.
     
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  7. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    You forgot to point out it was my thread that I copied and pasted.
     
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  8. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    that's true.
     
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  9. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    I am shaking my head!
     
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  10. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    The poll needs another answer option for those who think he did better in the second fight but can understand why one ask the question.
     
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  11. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Can you edit a poll?
     
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  12. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Some ********s like Perry and Berlen**** don't get this.
     
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  13. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Keep changing the question and maybe just maybe a few more will agree with you. What are you 15?
     
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  14. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Please explain how I am changing the question.
     
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  15. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Two things struck me when revisiting these two fights:

    1. Foreman looked like the one who had declined the most in sharpness. Frazoer had undoubtedly declined more physically, but Foreman looked sluggish in a way he didn't in the first.

    2. Frazier's best shots didn't have much effect in the rematch either while Foreman still backed Frazier up with ease. Joe hit Foreman with a beauty in the second round, but all it did was make George take two steps back before immediately continuing to force Jpe back into the corner.

    The second point is why I can't see Frazier having success against Foreman. He'd have to have a Toney-Barkley like performance to overcome the disparity in strength and power between himself and George, and he just didn't have that kind of skill.
     
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