The Thing people dont get about Willard vs Dempsey

Willard was freaky huge. There is a photo of he and Carnera and he looks much the bigger man.

 

i think it's the other way tbh, either on 3kd's or ref stoppage, a few seconds wasn't gonna help willard.

if willard made it through 5 unscathed you could maybe have a decent s****, but that's a whole different question.

 

Willard Dempsey is like debating Frazier Foreman. There is very little possibility of either Willard or Frazier coming out a winner. The ko losses were all so brutal. Willard with his horrific facial injuries and 7 knockdowns, Frazier with six knockdowns in one fight and two in the other along with the loss of half a dozen teeth.

 

I don't understand why people are answering this like it's prime for prime. The OP is literally taking the same exact fight, just putting in a different time period, and expecting a different result.

 

There are some posters who will never give Jack Dempsey his due.. For someone who has studied boxing ardently for many, many decades, it is so sad...They still [some of them] spout the old garbage that Dempsey's gloves were "loaded" with a horseshoe, plaster of Paris, an anchor from a Naval Battleship etc , for the Willard fight even THOUGH Willards handlers, Nat Fleischer, and others were watching in Dempsey's dressing room being gloved. And of course Dempsey can be seen walking to his corner ungloved before the fight..But reason and facts mean nothing to some who have eyes but cannot see. SAD.

 

As may be obvious I am dubious about the skills of the old guys vs today's boxers. However, a guy like Dempsey would be a feared fighter in any time period, albeit at cruiserweight. Same goes for Joe Gans and Sam Langford.

 

Was there a rematch where Willard put up a visibly superior effort, troubled Dempsey more than expected, and won at least half the completed rounds?

 

As I have posted Frazier did not win any rounds in either fight with Foreman.

NY Daily News June 16th 1976. **** Young
"Foreman won every round although the Coliseum crowd cheered Fraziers every punch whether it landed or not".

Frazier in the end not only did not win a round but was brutally koed in round 5 losing half a dozen teeth in the process. In fact if you watch a very good quality film of that bout you can actually see Fraziers teeth shining in the lights as they flew from his mouth from the force of the final punch.

Moving about the ring to avoid a ko, not winning a round in the process and getting koed in less than 5 full rounds of fighting losing half a dozen teeth in the process is not a very successful night I would think most knowledgable people would say.

 

So...the AP article gave Frazier rounds 2 and 4.

Not sure about the tooth claim. Sounds like a troll. Certainly not on film or written anywhere.

 

What the hell does this have to do with anything?

 

If you lived through the era and read all the reports YOU WOULD KNOW that Joe lost half a dozen teeth from that final blow. Study up you do not know your subject matter!

 

atsch You spent so much time trolling, you couldn't even see what you posted was irrelevant to the thread.:rofl:yep

...Then you have the nerve to call me a troll.

 

Mr. Dubious, it is no fault of the fighters of old that there are no film of them only hand cranked films that are not in proper speed, making them look like a Charlie chaplin film...But if you google Benny Leonard
vs the great southpaw Lew Tendler, and watch studiously you will see
though film is hand cranked, how wonderful Benny leonard moves around ,jabbing , moving in ,out, side to side, and realize he would be
GREAT in any era, and if this is so, what about his great contemporaries
such as Johnny Dundee, Johnny Kilbane, Charley White, Freddie Welsh,
Jack Britton, Mickey Walker, Ted Kid Lewis. Jim Driscoll etc, who were
considered on as high a level. Years later in the 1940s when I started to watch boxing I assure you that these fighters I saw ringside were on a towering level such as Ray Robinson, Willie Pep, Ike Williams,
Beau Jack, Kid Gavilan, Sandy Saddler, Jimmy Bivins, billy Graham etc
were every bit as "modern" as todays fighters ...These guys all had over 100 bouts against great competition and would do very "nicely" today I assure you...