Julio Cesar Chavez: The Original King of the CANS. 100% FACTS!!!

All very interesting points but let's take a step back for a moment. 107 fights! ONE HUNDRED AND SEVEN! That fact alone deserves respect. But I take on board the gist of what you're getting at.

 

No Haugen as a good opponent but list Roger?

Rosario and Camacho as fair?

**** you. DKS.stupid racist.

 

Chavez had a great career and did step up his level of competition in the 90's.

I've only been critical of what he did back in the 80's. After winning a title, he'd go to mexico and fight 2-3 times against absolute bums, than come back to the states, fight a legitimate guy, than go back again to mexico for 2 or 3 more fight against tomato cans.

And I mean tomato cans, guys that had absolutely no business in the ring with someone of Chavez' ilk.

To his credit though, he fought more competitively on a fight to fight basis in the 90's, and I don't really criticize him for getting the nod in fights I didn't think he deserved because he's not the referee (Taylor fight,) or the judges (i.e. the Whitaker fight.)

He was a great fighter and fought good/great fighters in the 2nd half of his career. BUt what he did back in the 80's can't be ignored, it was a very unconventional route he went through after winning his first title. I'm not as impressed as some are by his record because when you really go through it, especially the first 75 or so bouts, he probably took on around 7-9 legitimate guys. That's not the greatest of ratios and you can make a strong argument that his record was padded with a lot of guys that had no business in the ring with him.

 

Yep. The truth, unlike what was posted at the start of this thread.

 

Close this thread please......

 

x2 Chavez did have his share of bums, but he did beat many hofers. I'll always rate Sanchez over him tho. But what Chavez did can't be denied. All his losses were when he was past his prime, but at the sametime, his most significant win, over undefeated, younger, faster, bigger, American sensation Meldrick Taylor also happened when Chavez was on the downslide. The rematch definitely settled any doubts, Taylor had 2 golden opportunities and failed. Taylor was coming off wins over Mcgirt, an underrated fighter who gave Whitaker all he could handle.

 

This. The man stayed in fighting shape by....fighting. Something that pros do not do in the current era. There are a lot of "bums" between his defenses/title fights, but you have to look at that in the proper context. Plus when he was at that 87-0 mark, he had something like 25 or 26 title fights already under his belt. Some guys don't even fight 26 times over a whole career nowadays. He added another dozen or so title fights after the draw with Pernell. When a fighter has a number of world title fights in the high 30's (37 I believe), it's pretty hard to say he's nothing more than just a can crusher, and be taken seriously.

 

You are a moron, Willie. One with a clear and misguided bias.... FACT!

 

willie might be having some fun with you...but hes not a moron..he knows the fight game.....its funny to see people upset and say he has a clear and misguided bias....however when others constantly put down a guy like Floyd, ward, cotto or others...but hail ggg as the greatest....they are just "normal boxing fans" ..lol

 

Interesting thread.

I liken GGG's style to JCC very much so. Stalkers with good power and technique.

Hopefully, in the end, Golovkin achieves something near what Chavez did.

 

Chavez was a good fighter, but his record is the most laughable among good fighters.

His first 9 opponents had a combined ZERO wins. That's right, none of them had ever beaten anyone, and most of them were at their pro debut.

Chavez then fought 4 guys with losing records, and then guess what he did? He fought 3 more guys who were at their pro debut!

So after 16 fights, he finally fought a guy with a winning record, and guess what that record was? 2-0.

He then decided to fight another guy with zero wins: his record was 0-7.

He then started fighting cab drivers, but continued fighting guys with zero wins as well.

When Chavez was 49-0, he decided to "beat" Marciano's famous record, but he didn't want to take any risks, so instead of fighting a can driver, he fought a homeless guy named Roberto Collins Lindo who had a record of 1-15. Chavez knew that a cab driver had enough money to train in a gym, whereas a bum couldn't even train.

Right after that, Chavez got a title shot! It was against a guy who was 32-13.

You see why people say Chavez had a padded record. He is the effigy of the protected fighter.

http://boxrec.com/boxer/8119

 

Seriously? It is posts like these that drives people in droves away from this board.

Chavez was a kid when he turned pro with barely any amateur experience.

 

Nice!!!