Julio Cesar Chavez: The Original King of the CANS. 100% FACTS!!!

They had more lackluster names on their records years ago because they usually fought more frequently. If you fight twice a year then you really should be fighting the best.

No one expects anyone to fight the best guy out there all of the time if they are fighting regularly. If anyone suggests they do then they are an idiot. However, suggesting what you did about JCC and saying GGG only fights cans isn't to clever either.

If someone says or does something stupid, it is probably not a good idea to try to match their stupidity.

 

Look just concede that Willie is right. Chavez fought a lot of bums. A person with a 90+ fight resume will most likely always to be tons of bums and filler fights stuffed into his folder. But the robberies were worse than the mis matches. Steele stopping the Taylor fight is one of the biggest robberies in boxing.That stuff just doesn't happen as coincidence.

 

Taylor couldn't respond. When you can't respond in a clear-headed fashion to a referee after getting dropped hard, the fight gets stopped. Those are the rules of boxing. The fact it was the 12th round of boxing is just unfortunate for Taylor. A boxing match isn't 11 rounds and 2:57 long.

 

You're a hypocrite. I mentioned Marciano in my post because he also had a brief, insignificant amateur background (only 12 fights), and yet he only fought 3 winless opoonents, as opposed to Chavez who fought 18 winless opponents.

Why did Chavez fight Ramon Amanburu (0-1) in 1989? Chavez had been a pro for 9 years at that point, and was a great fighter. There's no way any other fighter would get away with that, but Chavez is of course a "warrior" and no one is allowed to point out his ridiculous record.

Stop being a nut-hugger - your very life depends on it.

 

Nobody cares if he padded his record with bums. His greatness comes from the great fighters he beat. Target practice doesn't detract from that. Get over it.

 

meldrick taylor didn't even know who he was when they stopped that fight, and was ruined thereafter. one more punch might have killed him. the ref didn't know there was no time left for one more punch.

 

Prime Chavez boxed four, five even six times a year.

He fought more world champions and top ten contenders than just about anyone else in the history of boxing.

The only so called 'cans' he ever fought were glorified exhibitions back down in Mexico in between legitimate title fights.

The reason he did this wasn't to pad out his record. It was to put on low risk, low paying fights for his Mexican fans who could not afford to go to Vegas for the big events. To Chavez these fights were just a part of his training regime while he prepared for bigger fights.

Anyone who thinks that top ten fighters, ex champs and future champs are 'cans' is disrespectful to boxing.

Getting as far as the top ten or capturing a belt is a major achievement in boxing. Just because you don't make it to legend status does not make you a 'can' by any stretch.

If you know anything about boxing then you only have to watch Chavez work to know that he was a master of his craft.

He was one of the best, whether you like him or not.

 

I don't pay much attention to the 87 straight wins. What made him great was his ability in the ring and beating a who's who of 130-140 from the mid 80s to the early 90s.

 

I think you need to look up what hypocrite means as, using it against me in reply to what i had wrote, is to use the word out of context.

My very life depends upon it? Ah, there is nothing like the hyperbole of an ESB poster. No wonder so many good posters have left this site with overblown childish lines like that.

Anyway, to the boxing aspects of your reply. Marciano did have a limted amateur career. However, he was clearly a decent prospect and had some talent since he won the armed forces championship whilst an amatuer. He was also 24/25 when he turned pro. As i have already pointed out, JCC was a kid when he turned pro.

As for him fighting Amanburu whilst JCC was a world class fighter and you ask who else gets away with that? I suppose you have never followed professional boxing in Thailand?

Look, no one with any sense says that JCC's resume consists of all world ranked fighters. Most people know, as has already been pointed out on this thread, that those fights were either keep busy fights, extra beer money fights or glorified exhibitions for his home fans.

Also, why the preoccupation with who he fought before he was world champion? These fights are just to get you ready for when you are at the top and as such, most people don't put to much stock into them when reviewing someones career. Most people give more credance to what fighters do when they are at world level rather than what they done before they got there.

JCC fought a lot of less than world level fighters when he was at the top. Anyone who knows boxing knows this. If someone claims otherwise and you argue with them, then you are just arguing with a moron. However, JCC also fought most of the top challenges out there. This is by far the main reason why he is so loved and respected.

 

Some people. atsch

 

Only this day in age does fighting more people make your resume worse.

At this point I'm willing to bet that if Mayweather fought 4 times a year instead of two and two of those fights were against cans his overall resume would be worse in the eyes of critics. Because thats whats happening here.

 

So, you promise 100% facts but then in the very first sentence you give the obvious opinion that 90% of his fights were rematches and cans...

stopped reading right there

 

1. Julio Cesar Chavez only had 13 amateur fights.

2. Julio Cesar Chavez was 43-0 before his first title fight. He had a perfect winning streak thereafter of 43-0 (thus 86-0) before his draw.
Within that 86-0 record, 25 were title fights, all in a short period of time.

3. Julio Cesar Chavez was in 36 title fights in his whole career.

 

I never thought Chavez fought frequently to record pad. I've just always assumed the dude loved to fight, and he would fight anyone, regardless of their ranking or resume, to stay active and keep doing what he loved.