I hate to say it but Mark Breland is not the right coach for Wilder.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by ellerbe, Jan 16, 2016.


  1. AlwaysFirst

    AlwaysFirst Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wilder should work a lot on his footwork and do a lot of squats&deadlifts, I don't think his skinny ass legs can work well with his massive upper body!
     
  2. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    People look at Wilder and think he should be a boxer.

    He's just a banger. He likes to slug it out with everyone. He's knocked out everyone he's fought - except Stiverne, who was a wreck afterward.

    He isn't going to become a master boxer. He's been taught how to stand and how to punch, and how to jab, and when the fights start he doesn't do it. He's got size, he's in great shape, he's got very fast hands, and he's got great power.

    You can't have everything. I don't think "excellent boxer" is in the cards.

    So, instead of trying to change him, just enjoy the punch outs.

    Whether people like him or not, all of his fights are exciting.

    He could lose to all the top names, or he could knock them all out.

    If he was short like Earnie Shavers, people would overlook his clumsiness. Since's he's tall and thin, people want him to be something he's clearly not (a boxer). He's a banger. Let him swing away.

    We're approaching another excellent era of heavyweight fights. Enjoy it.
     
  3. RingKing75

    RingKing75 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    This comes from his poor footwork. His footwork is terrible! I dont know what he is doing when he stands so wide as it completely nullifies his size and reach advantage. I have to agree with you and the op and say he needs a new trainer. There is no reason DW should be as sloppy with his footwork and punches as he is right now. I really like wilder as he has a great personality and could do a lot for the sport but he needs to improve his skill set or hes going to get ko`d ugly by a guy with skill. He cant get by on his natural athleticism forever.
     
  4. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    I never imagined so many people would complain that there was a slugger making noise in the hw division. He's the type of guy who makes every fight entertaining
     
  5. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    This x 100.

    Boxing, moreso than any other sport I've followed, has this weird complex of fans always wanting what they don't have. People complained that there were too many middling beltholders around, then complained that Wlad was that much better than the rest and cleaned things up.

    They complain about boring fights, then have one of the most exciting heavyweights of the last 20 years right in front of them, and get mad that he's not the most skilled. They've got a masterful trash talker in Tyson Fury, quite skilled himself, and they complain that he doesn't show one-punch power enough.

    It seems like it's less and less about appreciating what's there and more about being bummed that there isn't a division full of Isaac Frosts from Fight Night duking it out every fight out.
     
  6. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    For as raw as he was when he started, I think Breland's actually done a heck of a job with him.
     
  7. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He sure has many holes in his game that needs to be fixed, but I'm not sure if it's all about his trainer. Think about all the tough journeymen in America. Darnell Wilson, Dominick Guinn, Derrick Rossy, Nagy Aguilera, Maurice Harris, Demetrice King. Wilder didn't fight any of these guys. Sure, maybe he wouldn't get rid off all of them in two rounds, he wouldn't look like a total monster but at least he'd have to deal with variety earlier in his career and have more time to work on the holes in his game. So I think It might be more about his management rather than the way he's been trained.
     
  8. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    I do too, and I think Breland's methods works well against guys like Stiverne and a Povetkin, but against a Fury if he tries to box him he's going to get embarrassed. A trainer like John David Jackson is what Wilder needs for an awkward boxer who can switch up to southpaw, Wilder doesnt set his punches up well. He either throws the 1, 2, or just single punch leads/counters. I dont really see him setting shots up.
     
  9. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    It's not Breland's fault. Wilder is as good as he's going to get. He just started too late to make the most of his athletic ability. That's what happens when a football/basketball player switches to boxing when they are nearly twenty years old. If you want Pacquiao/Mayweather/Golovkin level skills you have to start training as a child.
     
  10. tylerdurden

    tylerdurden It's OK to have beliefs, just don't believe them Full Member

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    It's not this. We're all getting excited about a revitalised heavy division.
    Trash talking Fury, Klit, Wilder, Ortiz, Joshua, Povetkin, Haye, Parker is the reason this site even exists!

    And tell me you don't want to see a fight between ANY 2 of the aforementioned fighters..

    You do
    :deal
     
  11. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    Wilder just needs to stop living up to his name and just sharpen up on his punches and just be more snappy in general, at times he really does look horribly crude, Harrison fight springs to mind as well, it speaks volumes when a pro boxer swings himself off his feet like that, wouldn't expect that from a bar brawler...
     
  12. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    He didn't start that late did he? Around 20 or so? Look at Sergio, sure his defense was a bit leaky at times but just his form and punching technique were all good. I think one of the reasons he still has these faults is because he was never really tested coming up, he was just blowing easy opposition out in a few rounds and there wasn't much to reflect back on so now those flaws are being exposed more against better opponents.
     
  13. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Mark Breland is an absolute legend and a h2h monster for any WW in history(if it weren't for dat chin doe)

    I agree that a different trainer would be beneficial to Wilder's career, let Breland get paid a little more though.
     
  14. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Yeah, I was thinking of Martinez even when I wrote that comment. You're probably right.
     
  15. Karl

    Karl Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Good thread. Trolls, please stay away.