Foreman vs Lewis

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  1. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'll make you a deal.

    If l can produce a link which verifies that Lewis didn't climatize properly for the first Rahman fight you leave this site for a month and if l can't l'll leave for a month.

    Deal?

    Cause l'm tired of this bull **** it's time to put up or shut up.
     
  2. Mendoza

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    Foreman was very dangerous in the first few rounds, but in hindsight benefited on a style advantage vs. Frazier ( smaller swarmers with less power and durability seldom beat bigger punchers ) , and Norton just freezing up.

    Lewis offers no such advantage for Foreman. While a KO or TKO, either way, can happen, I think Lewis' superior boxing skills would have his hand raised. Foreman had trouble with a slightly past Ali and Lyle, neither of whom hit as hard as Lewis did.

    If it's a decision, I'd have a hard time seeing Foreman win it.

    Picking Lewis here.
     
  3. Threetime no1

    Threetime no1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks.
     
  4. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    If you don't know the difference between tired and exhausted, I simply don't know where to begin.
     
  5. Threetime no1

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    Lol the only person who wouldn't admit altitude was a major factor in the result was Lewis. The rest of us thought differently.
     
  6. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Since, you're going off that list for your argument of punching power, Liston hits harder than Lewis. Something you previously denied.
     
  7. mr. magoo

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    There is no tangible way of proving that one man hit harder than another. The only thing we have to go by is the quality of who they were able to stop, hurt, floor, etc. in which case Holyfield is more proven. Lyle could certainly punch but he has no real stoppages of significance with the exception of earnie shavers who wasn't known for his durability and of course your example s**** iron Johnson who was a journeyman... Evander Holyfield ended the reigning champ buster douglas's career with one punch.. He knocked out adilson Rodriguez with one punch.. He floored Michael moorer five times in route to a stoppage.. He handed bowe and mercer their first knockdowns. I think these examples negate lyles claim to fame of stoping George Johnson.
     
  8. Vanboxingfan

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    Much like Foreman, I read his bio and for years he insisted he was poisoned in his loss to Ali.
     
  9. Vanboxingfan

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    I believe l said they are on the same tier with respect to power.
     
  10. swagdelfadeel

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    Chuvalo was also a journeyman. They both had great Chins. Lyle was able to actually keep Iron down for the count. Frazier, Liston, and Foreman were unable to achieve this.
     
  11. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    No you said, Lewis hit just as hard or harder than Liston. This implies Lewis has an edge.
     
  12. Threetime no1

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    Yeah that loss had Foreman in a dark place mentally.

    As for Lewis he still won't acknowledge the altitude factor, maybe he didn't want to make excuses but it was just so obvious to see.
     
  13. Vanboxingfan

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    I stand by that. I think he did hit just as hard or harder. It seems to me that you're splitting hairs a bit. Both hit extremely hard and both were in the upper echelons in terms of power. I don't know how one proves with any degree of certainty who hits harder than who, but you're welcome to try.
     
  14. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    He didn't. You could make a pretty good argument that Liston hit harder than Foreman. You can't do the same for Lewis. I've already proved my case on the other thread.
     
  15. Vanboxingfan

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    George Foreman's view of the fight.

    I would have expected Lennox Lewis to win that fight seven days a week, 24 hours a day," said the former world heavyweight champion George Foreman, now a senior commentator for the American television network HBO. It was a popular opinion and, most damaging of all to Lewis, one which the champion himself seemed to have taken on board. Only two weeks before he was due in the ring with Rahman Lewis had chosen to play a bit-part role in a Julia Roberts and Brad Pitt movie being shot on location in Las Vegas, close to where Lewis had been going through the motions in his training camp."

    The Sky television commentator and former world cruiserweight champion Glenn McCrory was among those who had attended a Las Vegas press conference Lewis gave on the day when Naseem Hamed saw his world come tumbling down when he was outboxed by the Mexican Marco Antonio Berrera.


    "I could hardly believe what I was hearing. There was Lennox saying that going to fight in Johannesburg, which is 6,000ft above sea level, would be no problem. He was saying that altitude would have no effect on him and that we shouldn't believe what the scientists say. It was as if he really believed that he was different from every other man," said McCrory.

    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2001/dec/19/boxing.johnrawling