So Mayweather is essentially retired...

He's the best ever. He's the most brutal and vicious, and most ruthless champion there's ever been.*There's no one can stop him. Robinson a conqueror?*No, Floyd is Alexander, he's no Alexander.*He's the best ever. There's never been anybody as ruthless.*He's Sony Liston,He's Jack Dempsey.*There's no one like him.*He's from their cloth. There's no one that can match him. His style is impetuous, his defense is impregnable, and he's just ferocious. He wants your heart. He wants to eat your children.*Praise be to Allah.

 

Oh it's relevant, it's impressive, but it doesn't make sense to me to subtract from a fighter's accomplishments for losing. You're remembered for both wins and losses, but in the end your worth is measured in what you accomplished. I'd rather beat an A+ fighter and lose to a B fighter than just beat B fighters without losing to one.

My own criteria doesn't put automatic weight on things like multiple weight classes. The quality of the wins matter. Things like longevity, weight jumping, that's all icing on the cake. Heavyweights are always at an unfair disadvantage with those comparisons because they can't go anywhere else. But I think it's compensated by the fact it's the Heavyweight division; everyone there is big, everyone can punch, it's the top of the food chain.

So the fact that Lewis beat "smaller men" isn't as important to me as the fact he beat better opponents closer to their prime. Especially when Floyd so frequently had the reach advantage. It's a fair part of competing. I compared their wins head to head fairly and I think Lewis has the better wins.

Great points.

No, those are not better. A prime Holyfield is better than the Manny Floyd fought. Tyson was more dangerous than De La Hoya. Vitali was in his prime and was more dominant than Cotto, and Lewis was getting old himself.

I simply named Mayweather's best wins. Who else do you want? Corley? 38 year old Mosley? I didn't chop his resume down, I just said who was old and who wasn't, same as Lewis.

 

1 Holyfield and Pacquiao were about the same age and both top 5 pfp despite Floyd occupying the top spot last year. Pacquiao, unlike Holyfield, had recently beaten a pfp fighter (Bradley) while Holyfield had looked like garbage against Vaughn Bean.
2. The point about Tyson is too stupid for me to bother breaking down. If you personally don't like DLH, substitute any of the other 20 guys who Floyd beat that were better than a last legs Tyson. 38 y/o Mosley>old Tyson, which is why he was third pfp and the champ at 147 when they fought.

 

Much too soon for any unbias subjective ratings, I've never seen a better all around fighter, but I have to consider he's one of my top 3 fav all timers..

One of the first few posters on this thread named 30 fighters better off the top of his head, if that doesn't smack every with the ultimate bias poster, idk wtf could.

Kid literally named every hof fighter he could think of. 25 of the fighters he listed couldn't hold fmj jock.

To understand how great he was, at least a decade should pass. The dude just retired 49/0 beating the very best fighters in multiple generation's . Yet some claim theres 50 greater fighter

You ****ing kidding me, god we have too many rubber room kids that lost their helmets

 

Numerical age doesn't matter, be serious. Holyfield was far closer to his prime. Holyfield made it harder for himself but still dominated. Pacquiao looked past-it struggling with Bradley and had to really work to pull out that win. Just before Bean Holyfield beat Tyson and Moorer. Before Bradley Pacquiao decisioned Rios and got KTFO by Marquez.

I personally love Oscar. But let's break it down. Mosley? Mosley was looking old against Cotto in 2009. He had one last hurrah against Margarito and was then was inactive for 15 months. Let's look at Margarito. Competent welterweight contender of his day? Yes. Any less skilled or talented than the fighters Tyson was beating at the time, like Golota? Nah. Especially not with the hand-wraps controversy.

Stop trying to paint this like a smear campaign against Floyd. Lennox Lewis is revered. He's one of the top Heavyweights of all time with outstanding wins in a great era. Floyd is great too. But myself and many others have Lewis above him.

 

Thats because he was the greatest fighter in multiple generation's. You're trying to lower his greatness because he did it better than anyone else ???

Fighting the top fighters in all weight classes and all the "p4p" listed around his weight. That's WHY he's that great.

That's where you lose every argument, because he was the best fighter for longer than anyone else, that's a negative you meatball ???

How would ANYONE be a favorite over him when he's regarded as the BEST fighter

Lordy lord

 

I name 30 ATG's that are found on any ATG list, and I'm supposedly biased...but you say 25 of them couldn't hold Floyd's jock strap? Okay.

 

Of course not, losses are positively greater than any win. Are you looking in a mirror, please slap the sh!t out of yourself.

Answer this,

What other fighter beat every top fighter in 2 era's ??? Not even staying unbeaten, who even fought the very best in 2 era's????

Correct, NO ONE else

 

You just named every old hof you could think of.

Which 5 of those atg fighters fought (not even beat) the top fighters around their weight in 2 separate era's

 

I agree that shouldn't be held against Floyd, but let's be honest here. Floyd didn't always fight the best in his division at every opportunity. Few ever have, but Floyd isn't among them. In most cases, he fought the #1 in his division. In two notable cases, he didn't. The first was retiring inexplicably when Cotto beat Mosley. The second was taking a long vacation after the first negotiations with Pacquiao lapsed. Both parties deserve blame for repeated failures with Pacquiao negotiations, but anyone that absolves Floyd of blame is surely biased.

There's also the time he said he'd face the Martinez-Williams 2 winner but then he decided not to. I don't hold that against him because his trips to 154 were kind of a bonus given how much lighter he is.

 

No, those are ATG's found on every ATG list.

How are you defining eras?

 

Oh lord, there's no knocking sense in this guy. I love LL too buy the oldy and Tyson he competed with wouldn't be a top 25 win on Floyd career

Jezuz, ssm was coming off his single greatest performance and was much younger than the Floyd that everyone thinks was still "prime" fmj.

Fmj is the only fighter that'd had a 20 year prime

 

Floyd had fought through multiple era's, you could say multiple generation's

 

Ridiculous statement, that Tyson wouldn't be in Floyd's top 25 wins. Please. That is bull**** and you know it.

Mosley was 38, the age Floyd retired, had already been aging, and didn't fight for 15 months. Again, Margarito wasn't less talented than the guys Tyson was knocking out at the time. You're ignorance is baffling.

 

Okay. I'll start.

How on earth was Pernell Whitaker better than Floyd Mayweather?

In terms of wins, losses, accomplishments, fame, purses, titles, opponents ... any measuring stick you want to use.

I watched Mayweather's entire career. I watched Whitaker's entire career.

Frankly, I never cared for either ... in terms of personality or in the entertainment value of their matches.

But I'd never make a list and put freaking Pernell Whitaker on it above Floyd Mayweather. EVER.

And Whitaker was a first ballot Hall of Famer.

But Pernell did NOTHING better than Floyd Mayweather. Nothing. I'd take Mayweather to beat Whitaker in every division they both competed in. Without question.