So Mayweather is essentially retired...

Pernell never beat a great fighter in their prime at their prime weight ever.

So don't start there.

Also, Buddy McGirt retired nearly 20 years ago, and he's hasn't even been on the ballots for people to vote him in. So don't hold your breath.

(And who, in your mind, did Buddy beat to put him in the Hall? You know Joe Gatti and Arturo Gatti aren't the same guy, right?)

And now Floyd Mayweather moving up to beat Canelo Alvarez doesn't count because Canelo was ONLY the unified WBC/WBA super welterweight champion making his SEVENTH title defense ... and he wouldn't win the lineal middleweight title for TWO WHOLE YEARS?

But don't diss Buddy McGirt -- who entered his fight with Whitaker with a torn rotator cuff and didn't disclose it because he didn't want to lose a payday.

Got it.

Are you drunk or high? I can't tell. :rasta

I'm beginning to think YOU never saw any of these fights.

 

Not really saying anything about what happened at 135, all I'm saying, and it's really undisputable, is that Duran did better at the higher weight classes than JMM, likely due to his ultra aggressive style, his power, and his chin.

 

I wouldn't go too far with this point, because to me this is essentially what Pac did as well.

 

Floyd didn't get any lumps

Let's hand Floyd the current WBC Middleweight Championship

 

Well, he beat the last two lineal middleweight champs.

How many lineal middleweight champs did Julio Cesar Vazquez or Pernell Whitaker or Buddy McGirt or Greg Haugen beat?

Stoner. :rasta

 

I can't do this all night.

IN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION WHERE DOES FLOYD RANK ALL TIME ...

Start with ranking him above Pernell Whitaker.

Floyd beat better guys than Pernell, he won more easily against better guys than Pernell, he was far more successful against those guys than Pernell was against the top guys he fought, Floyd never lost ... Whitaker lost several times and quit once ... Floyd was the most financially successful athlete in any sport over the last half of his career ... Whitaker was the B-Side in every PPV he fought in.

Mayweather was a better technician. Mayweather dominated top fighters well into his late 30s. Unlike Whitaker.

So wherever Pernell is rated all time ... drop him down one spot and put Floyd above him.

That's for starters.

We can talk about who else Floyd should go above later.

Peace.

 

I'm not talking about 135 either. I'm just saying that Duran's results aren't that much better than Marquez's at 147. Not counting the Floyd fight, a shared best to worst list would be something like this:

Leonard 1
Pac IV
Palomino/Pac III
Bradley


Leonard II

It's close. Duran has the best and worst performances and Marquez holds down the middle with one really big win

 

Personally think the Palomino win is miles better than the Pac IV win. In fact JMM was losing that fight until Pac got caught. Duran gave Palomino a hell of a boxing lesson which can be found on youtube and is a technical marvel to watch when broken down. You rarely see the level of feints that took place in that fight along with the inside fight skills that accommodated it.

 

But Carlos Palomino wasn't considered the best fighter pound-for-pound on the planet when Duran defeated him (and I agree, it was a great win).

Marquez knocking Pacquiao cold was a much BIGGER win. HUGE win. Far bigger than Duran over Palomino.

Duran-Palomino wasn't even the main event on that card.

 

Well having watched both fights l stand by my post. JMM didn't so much win that fight as Pac lost it. Pac was winning clearly before he got careless, while Duran pretty much won every minute of every round. And l believe Palomino was ranked considerably higher than Duran at 147.

 

Not really.

JMM was dragged up two divisions (look at his physique vs Floyd and then vs Manny when he laid him out) and Floyd was still over the limit.

So really it was like a LW vs a LMW.

 

It's also the fact that Mayweather had every advantage stylistically against Marquez. They fought a similar style but Mayweather did everything better than Marquez. Both of them defensive counterpuncher types but Mayweather had Better defense, better counter punching, more accurate with his punches, etc.

 

It's also the fact that Mayweather had every advantage stylistically against Marquez. They fought a similar style but Mayweather did everything better than Marquez. Both of them defensive counterpuncher types but Mayweather had Better defense, better counter punching, more accurate with his punches, etc. All this was known going into the fight which is why I think it's just a good win, nothing more.

 

You could say Marquez-Pac III was a better performance than IV, using that criteria. I count the knockout heavily.

 

They both weighed in below 147. Makes no sense.