So Mayweather is essentially retired...

They weren't really knowledeable boxing fans then. Marquez was a 4-1 Underdog against an inactive Mayweather who many believed would have ring rust. That says a lot right there. How many non Marquez fans thought he had a realistic chance?

 

Pac was still going life and death with JMM 4 or 5 years earlier there's a reason why the fight didn't happen back in 2009 or 2010 it's because Pac and his team didn't want it.:deal PBF is a horrible styles match up for Pac and beats any version of him you're a wishful thinker that's all.

 

Prime Mayweather at his natural weight class went life and death with Jose Luis Castillo. Then in the second fight almost went life and death again while healthy and won a very close, but deserved decision.

Pacquiao went life and death with an ATG. Also destroyed an ATG named Barrera. Defeated Marquez the 2nd fight, let's not forget that he actually did win. Destroyed prime Cotto, etc.

But back to your main point. Marquez is much better than Castillo. And Floyd went life and death with Castillo.

 

Went life and death??? PBF won both fights against JLC and shut out the man who put Pac in a coma. PBF holds the clear stylistic edge in a fight with Pac and it's easy to see, always has been anything else is wishful thinking. You also fail to realize that Pac has become a much better boxer than he was back in 2009 where he was far more reckless and flawed that would have played into PBF's hands even more. The 2009 2010 version of Pac would have been beaten worse than the 2015 version of Pac was.:deal

 

Yes he went life and death with JLC. He was taken to the brink.

 

The majority of ringside press had Floyd beating Castillo (60% I think). Floyd built a large lead in the first half and Castillo had a deduction.

 

The point is he won JLC didn't put PBF in a coma like JMM did to Pac.:deal

 

Be consistent then you can't say Pacquiao went life and death with Marquez 4 times if he won twice. Then counter with Mayweather beat JLC so he didn't go life and death.

They correct answer is they both went life and death respectively.

 

When 40 percent of the media has a fighter winning that is a very large portion. That's 4 out of 10 men watching.

 

The first fight was close the rematch wasn't.

 

First fight was pure life and death about 60/40 split for Mayweather. The second fight was a clear victory for Mayweather, but also close on the cards and anything, but a schooling.

 

I'm clearing up the poster who tried to say most people had Castillo winning.

 

I also think there was a certain amount of shock regarding the way that the first fight was fought. People didn't realize that Mayweather was a talented infighter so it created the illusion that he was losing. Later in his career, it was understood.

 

Oh ok. Got it. Yea the Mayweather hate is so extreme with some people that they actually think it was a complete robbery when it was actually like a 60/40 split which could have gone either way.

I don't like Mayweather at all, but I try and make sure it doesn't cloud my judgement.

And I honestly believe that's he is not a top 20 ATG fighter.

 

I don't consider Whitaker and Mayweather the same fighters at all.

I'm not blind.

But you'd have to be blind to consider Whitaker as having beaten better fighters.

You named Chavez - who was moving up from a lower weight class and went right back down.

You named Nelson - who moved up from a lower weight class and basically never came back up again (except for one other lightweight fight that he lost).

And that's it. Julio Cesar Vasquez? Buddy McGirt with a torn rotator cuff? You're touting those guys?

Floyd beat De La Hoya, Pacquiao, Cotto, Alvarez, Corrales, Mosley, Hernandez, Hatton, Castillo, Gatti, Marquez.

How many of those guys moved up for one fight with Mayweather and went right back down to their lower division? One of them?

Hell, Mayweather was the guy moving up in nearly every instance.

Which top junior middleweight that Mayweather fought does Julio Cesar Vazquez beat? Oscar? Cotto? Alvarez? :nut

Boy, Mayweather's wins don't count if a guy has the wrong trainer, but Pernell's two big wins came against guys who never fought in the division before ... and in divisions where they found NO success.

And that's no problem for you, but a trainer is?

I don't care where you rate Whitaker all time. I don't care if he's barely top 20.

I just said rate Mayweather above Whitaker, because there is no way in freaking hell Whitaker beat better fighters or was more successful or would BEAT Floyd Mayweather in any division they fought in.

And who'd he struggle with? Wilfredo Rivera in their first fight. Pestraev. Bojorquez ... who he quit against (when, at the same age, Mayweather was beating Alvarez and Pacquiao). Hurtado. Roger Mayweather, who put him face first onto the floor.

When did Mayweather need to come from behind and score a KO to beat a guy like Hurtado? When did he quit when he got old because his arm hurt? When did he get planted face first on the floor against some C-grade boxer?

I can't believe you honestly believe that fight with Nelson and that fight with Chavez ... and a win over Julio Vazquez ... is better than anything or anyone Floyd Mayweather defeated COMBINED.

I hope this thread never gets deleted. Because you're going to be embarrassed you ever typed this ****.:deal