David Tua -vs- Jack Dempsey

Dempsey by stoppage in the 10th. Dempsey was probably overrated fifty years ago but he is just as underrated today.

 

I don't agree here, a fix if the money and the place is right could happen any time it doesn't need to be big money.

 

This would not be an early round KO for Dempsey.

 

Tua would be too strong and knock Demspey out.

 

Tua by brutal ko.no longer than 2 rounds

 

It has to be big money for it to be enough to pay Dempsey $500 and the other people involved still having enough left for themselves to agree to it. It is quite obvious that the fight was on the level and all the talk about $500 is nothing but bull****.

 

If you want to get technical about it a few of Dempseys victims could have handed Tua a red square on his boxrec record.

As others have said he is no George Foreman.

 

It's a real shame when one of the greatest HWs ever gets sold short against a guy who basically lost all of his big fights, and doesn't get anywhere near the pantheon of great fighters.

If there's a major stylistic reason then that's something...

 

It would have taken a lot less than $500 to make it worth Dempseys while.

There is nothing to stop him placing a private bet against himself. That sort of thing takes place in unliscenced bouts with purely local atendance.

I am not saying that this fight should be retrospectivly marked up as a dive but there are clearly enough suspicious circumstances that it should carry a big question mark.

Some of Dempseys critics seem almost desperate to validate the result so that they can use it as a stick to beat Dempsey with and that is not on.

 

You said it.

 

There was nowhere to take $500 from. If they were discussing it among themselves before the bout started (causing that long delay), that means Dempsey's and Flynn's managers were involved, as well as Flynn himself, which means each one of them was to have a portion of the money too. I would expect they needed to win some $1000 to $2000 somewhere for it to be enough to pay each one of them, and you simply don't get so big bets in those circumstances, with few local spectators and little if any interest at all to the bout from the outsiders. As can be seen from the clipping I posted, even those dissatisfied with the result never called it a fix, but only that it was an ugly event that wasn't worth the money they paid for it. Local press didn't even pay attention to such "publiic protest", because it simply wasn't worth it, bad cards happen, there was nothing that could or should be done about it. Nobody said a word about a fix, whereas in other really suspicious bouts there were at least some rumors immediately before or after the fight, of something not being right.

Dempsey himself never admitted it, Flynn never admitted knowing anything about it, the fight itself didn't provide any reason to believe it was staged, both journalists from local papers describing it as a clever move by Flynn, who created an opening on his not very experienced opponent, and exploited it with a perfect hook to the point of the chin. And why would Downing, if he was involved into this, go to the police before the fight and ask them do something about it?

Only Dempsey nut-huggers can cling to the idea of it being a fix in these circumstances.

 

The result of the bout was reported in the neighbour states. The pre-fight build was only the Salk Lake City newspapers.

What lesser sum if the persons involved in the "fix" insist that it was $500 handed to Dempsey? Plus their own profit, that had to be really significant to risk staging it, in most such cases the person who organizes the fix receives more money, than the fighters, so they had to get over $1000 total somewhere. Dempsey was getting $325 (10 rounds with Joe Bonds) and $350 (10 rounds with Terry Kellar) for two fights the previous year, against much lesser opponents, so why was it only $500 he agreed to, if he would be getting about the same sum the normal way, for fighting on the level, it had to be easier to sell a fight with Flynn than with those two fighters and get a bigger purse.

What took so much time to cause a delay, if everything was pre-arranged? You don't need 45 minutes to "rehearse" a fix like that.

What oath, what trial, what defence? His wife was telling this story to anyone who would listen, there's not a word about any oath or trial.

There is no substantial amount of circumstantial evidence for a fix, on the contrary there's plenty of evidence and logical reasoning against it being fixed.

 

And I don't buy into the Tua Hype apart from contraversially tkoing Rahman and getting a draw against a 259 lbs Rahman in the return who has the murderous hitting Tua kod? I see lots of never wassers on his resume Byrd went the route to win,Lewis was never in danger,Ibeabuchi neither.Tua caught a very moderate Ruiz cold, a fragile Oquendo boxed his ears off for the majority of their fight.Tua is a false alarm ,a myth,he is known for a war with Ike,which he lost,in fact he lost his best fights.