Mike Tyson, Top Ten Worthy?

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Wlad has dominated the division for about 8% of it's MDQ existence. It is really difficult to leave him off.

    As time moves on and more champs build legacies, Dempsey's accomplishments begin to fade in a list such as this. I don't see him in the top ten.

    On another day I might include Liston. I have a really hard time leaving off Jack Johnson.

    Again, Tyson laid waste to the division. On another day I would probably have him a bit lower.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    No. No, I don't think that's locked at all. In fact I think they're basically interchangeable. The differences are tiny. I don't think Holmes beat anything like the competition Ali did or showed the dominance that Louis did.

    Then again, with the right criteria you can organise any list you want, I certainly don't think it's unreasonable or bizarre to have Holmes at 3 and Lewis at 11.
     
  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    You know what though, I find most posters do sway from time to time and their opinions on certain subjects flow one way and another.

    Some posters literally do type the exact same things they typed 5 years ago.
     
  4. SmackDaBum

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    Sure he did... I would put my money on him. Safe bet.
     
  5. Seamus

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    I agree. I almost find it a tiresome task to compile a list such as this.
     
  6. lufcrazy

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    You know what, that's exactly why I went to h2h rankings. I was sick of spending hours reading articles and resumes just to debate number 7 or 11.

    At least now when I'm debating I can do so by watching Tyson smash through Thomas and Spinks and atleast bring enjoyment back to ratings.

    I can't abandon ratings altogether, my autism won't let me lead such a sturtureless life :lol:
     
  7. HerolGee

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    Tyson makes top ten on the pure ying of his early career.

    shame his later career post prison was the yang of it, tohugh he did regain his titles briefly.
     
  8. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Exchange Liston fo Johnson and our lists are almost identical !

    (BTW, I have both Jacks just outside the top ten).
     
  9. Seamus

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    Great Hibernian minds think alike.

    I think the Johnson ranking is shaded by sentiment. He was really a bad ass in dealing with what he had to. His resume is a little wonky, tho. His best wins occurred outside of what is considered by most to be his physical prime. His title reign is nothing to write home about. Still, he was a pioneer and a gamechanger in the actual sport of boxing (whereas Dempsey was more a gamechanger in the business of boxing).
     
  10. Kokid83

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    What type of idiotic question is this? Of course he is top 10 and if your using actual accomplishments instead of bull**** qualifiers, a case can be made he is top 5..
     
  11. swagdelfadeel

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    :patsch
     
  12. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I have Tyson at the bottom end of the top 10, so I guess it's debatable that he could be just outside the top 10.

    Sure his reign was short and not exactly stacked but his reign was still longer than Marciano's and he had more defences than Rocky as well and he's on some peoples top 10 list.

    Holmes for me was a very underrated win. Only man to stop him and only Holyfield would beat Holmes in the next 7 years. Sure Holmes was 38 but so was Walcott when Marciano beat him and that's regarded one of Marciano's signature wins.
     
  13. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    You'd lose that money. :yep:deal
     
  14. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Top ten ATG's are past it at the age of 23. Top ten ATG's aren't knocked the f u c k out by the likes of Buster Douglas. Top ten ATG's don't have their best wins over a washed up, fat former great and a light heavyweight.

    You know Ali had a dominant win over a great light heavy too? Bob Foster, but that doesn't get mentioned because he also had wins over great heavyweights.
     
  15. McGrain

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    That's not really true. At least Dempsey was generally regarded as being better than Wills in his own time (apparently). Many people - perhaps a majority? - thought that Vitali was better than Wlad for most of his period of "domination". That doesn't feel like domination to me. Wlad and Vitali dominated the division together.