Haymon and PBC in trouble?

****ing tools. I didn't make a claim about the slot values instead that the advertisers that bought PBC's time slot got little for their buys. PBC got the lowest viewership in that block and it got worse as other shows/events came on.


http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2016/01/24/tv-ratings-saturday-jan-23-2016/

 

Haymon's going to be fine himself, which was always the point of him getting into this in the first place. He'll have burned the last bridge he's got left, but he's set.

His business model of throwing enough money at boxing to drive his competitors out of time slots and poach their talent was always a means to the PPV end. Use network TV to develop the next round of PPV stars, and then get fans to pay.

The problem is, their execution is lacking. Not moving the Wilder fight forward one week is a perfect example of it.

Personally, I don't see how this ends well, and the game is going to be wrecked for a lot of people moving forward if it fails. For that reason, I'd rather see it succeed. You can't get networks used to getting something for free (in this case, even better- they're getting paid for air time), deliver low ratings, and then expect them to pay for it in the future.

PBC is going to have to continue to utilize time buys and hope they can use PPV to subsidize that. The matchups and scheduling hasn't been smart or consistent enough to show they're serious about using the free TV side as the moneymaker. W&R put that kind of money behind him betting he'd find the next Mayweather. PBC's top draws are Garcia, Thurman, and Wilder. If the free TV business doesn't turn around, you're going to see at least one of them on PPV in the next 2 years just to hope the experiment sticks.

 

Nice to see we still have some that look into such topics before posting absolute rubbish like most.

Good break down

 

That's the same way I see it.

Let's face it- Al gets a cut of each fighters' purse. The more he pays out in purses to them, the more he makes, regardless of how well/poorly PBC does. So, the overspending on purses is a win/win for him and the fighters (in the short term. Fighters better get paid now, because it's not going to be pretty for most of them once this blows up). He's incentivized to overspend, which is an unsustainable model.

Getting the funding in the first place was the endgame all along, so there's not much motivation for him to keep this thing going strong 5 years from now. It's not his money on the line, but he'll keep getting paid. If/when it blows up, Al hasn't lost a dime. That's not aligning shareholder interests with Al's at all.

That's always been Al's M.O. He's a master at finding a way to get a cut of the action and maintain control without bearing any of the financial risk of a traditional promoter.

 

It's sort of crazy to think that he got the funds from the Waddell and Reed hedge fund. Can you imagine if you had your money invested thru W&R? Those yahoos promised 450m.

PBC experts, how is Haymon going to turn that investment into a return? He "paid" for tv time and not the other way around ya! Scratches... I don't get it?

 

Who promoted last Saturdays PBC card?

 

Does anyone know how much those TV dates cost?

 

something going on. No fights on Spike and ESPN or NBC sports. these networks were doing a card a month last year

 

"something going on. No fights on Spike and ESPN or NBC sports. these networks were doing a card a month last year "

ya...well he had a fight on fox last week...has one on cbs in march(first primetime fight on cbs since ali)

 

I don't have a problem with haymon....were getting free fights(some that have turned out to be pretty darned good too...better than we thought on paper) and his fighters are getting paid pretty well too

Im not gonna read through all the bs here about who thinks they know exactly what is happening...but I will say this

a guy at work who is a very casual boxing guy...who knows I follow it...asked me about wilder ...because he saw the highlights on sportscenter.....sooo...theyre doing something right me thinks

 

My understanding is that since he paid the networks for the time slots he gets all of the advertising revenue. However, he isn't getting big sponsors who pay top dollar, which is what he needs to go sustainable. Beyond that, his end game is to turn the PBC into a powerful block of programming like the NBA, NFL, NHL, and MLB have. They have a monopoly on that sports content, and can renegotiate their rates whenever they want with the broadcasters, because the affiliates know that losing one of them would be to slit their own throats. Millions of people buy cable just to watch sports. However, to do that, he needs a monopoly on televised boxing in the US, which he can't get with HBO, Showtime, or Box Azteca out there competing against him, and often with bigger stars than he has.

 

Not so.

7/19/81 CBS Ray Mancini vs. Jose Luis Ramirez
10/3/81 CBS Alexis Arguello vs. Ray Mancini
1/23/82 CBS Ray Mancini vs. Julio Valdez
5/8/82 CBS Ray Mancini vs. Arturo Frias
10/17/82 CBS James Broad vs. Donny Long

The last boxing match they aired was probably Mancini vs Kim in Nov. 1982.

 

What is HBO doing??

What's going on with them??

 

Dude, you're killing yourself with each post.

Dateline, 20/20, 48 Hours, World's Funniest are all staples on network television and have been on the air (in the case of Dateline, 20/20 and 48 Hours) for decades. DECADES. CSI has a dozen different versions, because it's so valued.

Bob's Burgers has been on for years, too, and is awesome. (Personal note there).

So, clearly, those numbers aren't going to get you cancelled.

And they are also shows that networks spend tens of a millions a year to produce. The networks have spent NOTHING on the PBC show. NOTHING. You think they're going to throw them out with the bathwater?

If PBC continues to hit the male demographic and they have the same ratings as freaking Dateline ... they'll be on network television long after you're gone.

And, again, WHAT WERE THE BOXING RATINGS BEFORE THEY WENT ON NETWORK TELEVISION?

They were in the hundreds of thousands, not MILLIONS. Boxing wasn't drawing 10 million viewers opposite Dateline a year ago. Where were you complaining and studying the ratings in 2013 ... and telling us how ****py Friday Night Fights was doing every week opposite 20/20?

Boxing viewership has increased 200% to 300% in the last year ... and you're saying the sky is falling.

Be quiet already. :hi:

 

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You put a rumble drill on that hater.:deal