Light Heavyweights who moved up to Heavyweight that you'd Favor over Max Schmelling

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  1. Tippy

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    A lot of light heavyweights ventured up to heavyweight and some had very good careers up there, which of those that moved up would you favor over a prime Schmelling?

    Examples of some candidates for this would be guys like Ezzard Charles, Gene Tunney, Michael Spinks, Billy Conn etc etc


    Edit: Please give a reason why if you favor someone fitting the criteria over him
     
  2. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not sure. Schmeling is often very underrated. Defeated many good prime opponents. Every guy you listed there would have a chance as they are all good/great fighters. But I wouldn't pick any of them as a sure bet.
     
  3. foreman&dempsey

    foreman&dempsey Boxing Addict banned

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    Spinks hands down.actually he beats the German for sure
     
  4. The Long Count

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    Why?
     
  5. foreman&dempsey

    foreman&dempsey Boxing Addict banned

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    Spinks was actually bigger than max, faster,and he handled a harder hitter than max, bigger men and he did beat also better men , of course max could land his lucky right hand but i dont see it happening. Spinks was very versatile, he could beat tons of styles, he would out box max he would keep moving would not be a static target . spinks by ud
     
  6. Hookie

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    I'll name one who I think would beat him, then one I think he could beat. Styles make fights and this is just my opinion for the moment.

    Ezzard Charles would win.
    Archie Moore would lose.

    Michael Spinks would win.
    Billy Conn would lose.

    Michael Moorer would win.
    Jimmy Braddock would lose.

    Roy Jones Jr. would win.
    Bob Foster would lose.

    I also think he may have been able to beat Loughran, Rosenbloom, and Tunney.

    From 1929-1937 Max Schmeling was a very good fighter. During this time he fought Johnny Risko KO8, Paulino Uzcudun W15, D12, and W12, Jack Sharkey WDQ4 (to win the vacant HW World Title, he lost the title to Sharkey LSD15), Young Stribling KO15 (in a HW World title defense), Mickey Walker KO8, Max Baer LKOby10 (a very good fight and Baer had to be at his best to pull off this type of performance), Steve Hamas L12 and KO9, Walter Neusel KO9, and Joe Louis KO12.
     
  7. The Long Count

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    Who is the harder puncher that he beat than Max? The shot alcoholic version of Kooney? Tyson wiped him away in 90 seconds.
    Max defeated Joe Louis. Max defeated 4 hall of fame fighters in the heavyweight division. Three by dominant performances that ended in KO. Louis, (only man to defeat prime Louis), Walker, Stribling (only man to stop Stribling in 300 bouts). Add in Sharkey and quite simply he is far more proven against good fighter in the heavyweight divsion. Not to mention #1 contender Hamas or perennial contender like Neusal, and Uzcudun.
    Spinks was a great light heavy. He caught Holmes at right time and Kooney. I wouldn't take him with any confidence over Max.
    But I appreciate your insight. They're all good fighters.
     
  8. foreman&dempsey

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    Alcohólic or not ****ey was much bigger han schmeling and hits much harder. And max is not precisely tyson.schmeling did beat the static Louis landing a lucky right hand and joe never could recover that.in the rematch we could see the real level of schmeling . spinks would be a much more mobile target. 1985 holmes was better than any Víctory of schmeling Besides the lucky punch over a green louis
     
  9. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If anyone even considers replying to this they should be shot
     
  10. LittleRed

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    Hmm. Intradesin.
     
  11. Webbiano

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    I'd love to see Schmelling and Langford go at it. I couldn't even begin to fathom how that might go
     
  12. Hookandjab

    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Some good points, but Schmeling's win over Joe was not the result of a lucky punch. Max was thoroughly prepared and brilliant that night.
     
  13. mcvey

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    I'd pick Tunney
    he's a bad match up for the counter punching German ,he would starve him of the opportunities to get his right over ,and his mobility would trouble the somewhat static Max.
    Charles has a good shot too ,good boxer ,excellent variety of punches, the Ezzard who went 15 with Rocky probably beats Max imo.
    Patterson I think might walk into a right hand as he did with Ingo.
    Mike Spinks would be problematic his herky jerky style would make him difficult to counter and he carried enough oomph in his own right to stop Max unloading with abandon.I'll give Schmeling a 60/40 on this one.
    Tommy Loughran might squeak a decision with his jab
    One from left field Tommy Gibbons? He might score a decision over Max.
     
  14. mcvey

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    And Max was past it for the re-match.
     
  15. klompton2

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    Anyone who calls Schmelings right hand "lucky" doesn't know his ass from his elbow. Lucky punches don't land over and over and over and over with bludgeoning repetiveness. There was nothing lucky about that. Max said he "saw something" which Louis dropping his left hand (and you can see this in the same films Max watched) and mapped out that strategy to beat Louis to a T. In fact go back and watch his first round KO loss to Louis and you will see that when Louis is all over him Max lands the exact same "lucky" right hand twice, the second time he lands it Louis' becomes much less aggressive and only resume when Schmeling attacks and gets caught.