So Mayweather is essentially retired...

I don't see why it's so outlandish to rate Mayweather above Pea. A few years ago yeah but now?

 

Thank you.:good

 

So cocaine is okay w you?

750 ml of saline is like drinking a big bottle of Gatorade without the sugar. Same effect.

 

Which recent wins now put him over Whitaker... list them please.

 

You mean which were better than Azumah Nelson moving up to a weight class where he never won a fight?

Wins over the last two lineal middleweight champs ... probably.

Being the star of the two biggest PPVs in the entire history of boxing.

Becoming the biggest earner of all athletes in every sport in the world.

Retired undefeated as the biggest name in the sport.

I could think of a few. Or did Whitaker do all that, too, when he outpointed Nelson at lightweight?

Einstein.:roll:

 

Dude you've been COMPREHENSIVELY crushed in our debate. You listing Oscar beating Chavez was buffoonery 101. Pretty much summed up your stance, and it was paltry at best to begin with, that ****ogy destroyed any credibility you may have had.

I'm still waiting for you to answer... which fighters as good as, and in there Prime that May fought like Tito and Oscar. Which fighters did May fight like those.

You failed to mention that Castillo beat May the first time around.

You even listing Mosley is a joke. He was so far past his best it's not even funny.

Same with JMM

Same with Oscar

All the name/best fighters he beat.. EVERY single one of them were well past their best. Literally every single one of them were well past their prime. May's list is pitiful when it comes to prime greats/goods he fought. It's sad really. Now, either answer the question or go run along, your May blowup doll needs some air.

 

WHITAKER DIDN'T BEAT THEM? WTF is wrong with you?

You keep trying to lift up Whitaker by rattling off names he didn't beat. Floyd Mayweather never lost to ANYONE as a pro. I'm sorry. I can't rattle off names of prime guys who beat him.

Just like Floyd didn't end his career crawling around the floor on ESPN against a club fighter and he never quit because his shoulder hurt. If he had, I'd certainly compare the two situations.

You want me to name a prime fighter who could beat Mayweather like Pernell got whipped?

Fine. Sergei Kovalev is in his prime. I'm sure if Mayweather moved up and fought him Mayweather would get knocked out.

Would that make you feel better?

Or could I then say, "SEE MAYWEATHER LOST KOVALEV WHO IS BETTER THAN TITO?"

Listen ... WHitaker NEVER BEAT ANYONE AS GOOD AS THE GUYS MAYWEATHER BEAT.

Whitaker didn't win more fights. He didn't win more titles. He wasn't a champ in more divisions. He didn't beat better fighters. He didn't accomplish more.

Whitaker didn't DO ANYTHING better than Mayweather.

THEREFORE, in the all-time ratings for boxing, Mayweather should be rated higher than Pernell.

Pernell would kill for Mayweather's career. Mayweather WOULD NOT trade careers with Pernell for anything. Nobody would make that trade. Because Mayweather's wins and accomplishments were BETTER BY A MILE.

If Floyd had quit against Bojorquez, and his big win was over Azumah Nelson ...

And Whitaker retired as the #1 pound-for-pound fighter, undefeated with titles from 130 to 154, wins over the last two lineal middleweight champs and Whitaker was the holder of all the finanical and ppv records ... you wouldn't rate Floyd (with Whitaker's career) higher than Pernell (with Mayweather's).

Get your head out of your *ss.:thumbsup

 

So still no answer, just more hot air. Please save the air for the blow up doll not posts here.

I accept you concession that May never even fought anybody like Tito and Oscar. Want to know why? Cause he was too much of a ***** to. His MO was fighting the best guys when they are well past their best. That's May. It's sad. Though I do love the attempt at moving the goalposts. I just said name some, it's irrelevant whether he lost or won or pea lost for one... Pea stepped up to the dotted line and signed for those fight. EVEN WHILE PAST HIS BEST. So unless you can name fighters equivalent to Tito and Oscar, then you can longer claim May is better at everything than Pea. Because Pea CLEARLY then, took on the tougher foes. So either name them, so I can laugh at them in comparison to those to, or go run away from the question scared little girl. No wonder he's your fav fighter.. You act in posts like he did with fights.

BTW, many people thought Whitaker won against Hoya. He landed more blows and had the only KD of the fight. More press people voted for him. You can say he losts, but clearly a PAST HIS BEST Whitaker did very well against a Prime Hoya, so well many thought he won.

 

I went through this with the other guy ... pages ago ... but half the names Mayweather fought were younger than him.

For example, Canelo, the current lineal middleweight champ and at that time the reigning WBC/WBA junior middleweight champ (with seven title defenses) ... was 23. Mayweather was 36.

How the F*ck was Alvarez past his prime?

You know, Canelo, the guy who starred with Mayweather in the second-largest PPV of ALL TIME. The current middleweight champ.

The guy an old Mayweather moved up to beat?

Again, get your head out of your *ss.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Beating Azumah Nelson at 135 isn't better than all of Mayweather's accomplishments. Beating Azumah Nelson period wasn't too big of an accomplishment. Or do rate Jesse James Leija higher than Whitaker, since Leija beat Nelson in two divisions?

I keep getting sucked back in. I need to stop.

Have a FABULOUS WEEKEND.

Really. It's been a pleasure.

:roll::nut

 

FLOYD BEAT OSCAR. Not only did he fight "someone" like Oscar ... he fought Oscar and won.

Dumb*ss.

:hi:

 

Without arguing Pea over Floyd

Alberto Massi has a win over Monzon. Da f*ck that means?

And Dempsey broke the million dollar gate and f*cked parades of hollywod b*tches, and Tyson became the most recognizable athlete in the world after sparking Spinks, and Ali may had the biggest cultural impact outside sports than any other athlete ever.

So. F*cking. What? It has nothing to do with RING accomplishment.

That counts. WHEN the fighter proves himself against the best (when they're at their best), without exploiting catchweight or every other pre fight angle he can find on nearly all of his tough challenges, that is. But by itself? No.

Who was more famous Rocky Graziano or Charley Burley?

 

Damn you're dumb, and I mean dumb. Those were COMPLETELY different Oscar's your imbecile.

Oscar WAS PRIME when he fought a PAST HIS PRIME PEA

On the contrary

Oscar was PAST HIS PRIME when he fought a close to Prime Floyd.


Do you think those two Oscar's were the same quality asshat? As dumb as you are, it's fun schooling you and your boy in these discussions.

 

Um, yes, it does.

Do you think any of that would've happened - the gates, the money, the women, the cultural impact -- if Ali, Dempsey and Tyson weren't among the best ever?

Did you seriously just type that?

Do you think all of that would've happened if they worked at the local gas station?

BYE. That's all I can take for one day.:hi:

 

Chavez was past prime but Oscar was a harder challenge for Whitaker and Mayweather than the smaller Chavez.

He doesn't, but Pea didn't get the wins there so even if he maybe edged Oscar. Mayweather beat an older Oscar cleaner

Not only is this is the biggest myth in boxing but Pea's win over Rivera is more prone to being called a robbery.

At best you can make at best a 7-5 case for Castillo, where as you can actually make a case that Floyd took that 8-4 on a round by round basis. Castillo won 4 rounds big but he didn't clearly win 6 rounds nevermind 7.

Mosley was past his best while ranked first in the division, it's as good as Mickey Walker beating a 38yo Britton, better given it was a domination.

JMM was top2 P4P, the top LW, had clearly beaten then supposed P4P no1 and would go onto be robbed against Pacquaio again before demolishing him.

You could argue the style and weight favoured Mayweather which it did but JMM was absolutely elite.

Oscar was a unified champion at 154 before being robbed against Mosley and had just beaten Mayorga in emphatic style to win a belt back after his failed trip at 160

He was only 4 years older than Mayweather with around 20lbs of weight advantage

1. No, Corrales, Alvarez, Castillo, Cotto, Hatton, Judah were all prime and all elite. Plenty of merely good champions who were absolutely prime.

2. He was past his prime after 140lbs himself. He's clearly not as good at 147 or 154 as he was from 130-140. He's clearly not as good after he took 2 years out the ring.

Mayweather was 38 against a 36yo Pacquaio, 30 against a 34yo DLH, 32 against a 36yo Marquez, 33 against a 38yo Mosley

 

Which makes it a consequence. Without resume that means sh*t (ever heard of publicity?), specially by a historic perspective. If you could improve your resume by f*cking hollywood b*tches why would you wanna get punched in the face?