prime Roy Jones wouldnt last five rounds against the Krusher.

I am pretty sure Roy was sparked out as an amateur with headgear on.

 

I think Jones only rehydrated 8 pounds or so for that fight. I doubt he was drained.

Tarver psyched him out with his confidence at the glove touch and caught him with a perfect punch he didn't see coming.

Jones was troubled by Tarver even before he fought Ruiz.

After that...Jones just too old to make weight and shouldn't be in there with cruisers.

But, Kov doesn't even need to hit guys flush to hurt them. Pascal has been sturdy his whole career and was knocked over the ropes by a jab thrown from off balance.

 

Might be right there, I see there reason to suspect it was a myth now.

Oh well, point stands. Lots of guys got knocked out as ams. It happens.

Marciano even allegedly gassed and was stopped as an amateur, something that never happened in his pro career.

 

I read that that was what Jones claimed

Also if it wasnt a failed test why was it even mentioned?

 

...But Cedric Agnew and Jean Pascal lasted 8, and a 50 year old man lasted 12?

 

It was mentioned because Richard Hall mentioned it.
Hall failed the same test

The stuff RJJ drank was widely sold in convenience stores at the time.It contained a substance that was not banned at the time.

He was not using steroids or injecting himself ect ect.

MANY sinus medicines and topical creams contain steroids and other banned substances:deal

 

Dumb thread

 

Wtf, Roy has never fought anyone near kovalev level, never mind beat any.

The ONLY fighter Roy's ever seen that had any chance in hell against kovalev was the jt that fought Jirov and holy, that's the only jt that doesn't get obliterated. Jt had an unreal chin and he was in fantastic fighting shape those nights

Fyi: jones "boxing" skill is what's been getting him destroyed since his mid 30's. About Kovalev age right now. Roy's athletic ability along with his conditioning and reflexes is what got him a bunch of titles.

His lack of boxing skills it what has him seeing stars against D level opponents. You know what I mean when I'm saying his lack of boxing skills ?

I don't think you're understanding my views on rjj. It's a miracle and credit to him he made such an impression with such lacking technical ability. That doesn't mean he can't out flash low to medium level fighters at the higher weights

 

I was speaking of the first fight after dropping from HW which Jones won but looked drained to me, he took some good punches from Tarver up against the ropes in that one.

I don't think Jones was drained in the second fight, he was in great shape, just got hit with a perfectly timed counter left.

I agree with Kovalev not having to land a clean punch to hurt someone. Pascal has an iron chin in my opinion, and Kovalev had him out on his feet.

 

It's a myth that's been bouncing around on boxing forums for years. As far as I know there is zero evidence those guys ever fought. IIRC someone asked Byrd if that fight happened and he said no. I don't disagree with your general point though.

 

Roy did fail a drug test, that is irrefutable... But Indiana (I think it was) didn't do a good job with that whole ordeal, they should be just as embarrassed as Roy and Hall.

Of course there is the ripped fuel story, which has been done to death on here.. From all of my understanding it is possible it was ripped fuel but highly unlikely it can get your testosterone levels that high.

 

His basic point was that Kovalev is still unproven at this stage. Unproven as in, he shouldn't be favoured over a prime version of Roy at this stage.

 

Kovalev shows glaring flaws against the kittens he's fighting...far more flaws than RJJ has/had.:deal

Kovalev is far more flawed than a prime Roy Jones Jr:yep

RJJ fought and beat a prime James Toney and Bernard Hopkins.
Both of whom beat the living shi/t outta' Kovalev.

John Ruiz would vaporize Kovalev at heavyweight.

 

He only started to look human at the latter stages of his LHW career.

How could he have lacked the power to compete?

Of course the great LHW's of the past would have had a decent chance to defeat him. But I wouldn't say it'd have been a forgone conclusion.

Don't forget that they had same day weigh-ins back then. When Roy was 25/26 at his absolute peak at SMW, he was weighing around 175 on fight night. So you could pick the version of Roy who fought Toney to compete with them.

Kovalev would have had a shot. I agree. He would have been extremely dangerous. But from what I've seen so far, Roy would had to have been a clear favourite.

 

A prime Jones breezes through Kovalev's resume.

I don't see Kovalev making it through Jones' resume without several brutal KO losses.