Jim Corbett vs Harry Greb

This is the only clear and up close film on Corbett. Corbett is sparring for world war one bonds with Kid McCoy. He's over 50-years-old here, but he still moves well and shows good quickness and reflexes. One can imagine just how quick and fast he was in his prime!

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuAcbUV1hFo[/url]

 

If Zi am not mistaken that sparring session took place in 1911 so Corbett was something like 45 years of age.

 

All the footage I've seen of Jim Corbett, he keeps his hands very low and he does the incredibly amateurish move of pulling his elbows way ... and I mean WAY back before throwing a punch.

Anyone with the most basic of skills from the 1920s on ... could spot every punch that Corbett was about to throw before he threw them and would be able to simply step back to avoid them ... or step in as his elbows went back and beat him to the punch.

Corbett telegraphed his punches like guys in old western barroom brawls. Everyone just leaned back, c0cked their arms and then swung.

But everyone was so crude at the time, compared to him, that Corbett had a total c0cky attitude about his bad technique.

On the other side, Greb looked like a complete spazz in his training footage. I have no idea what his "unique" style actually looked like in a real bout. He had really no knockout power to speak of. And Greb was blind in one eye, too.

But regardless of how awkward he may have been, or how blind, Greb was apparently quick enough to beat boxers who possessed more modern styles and demonstrated better technique than Corbett had. And he apparently was good at moving in, scoring, and getting out of range.

I'd say Greb wins every round and chops up Corbett - who stood straight up, kept his hands low and telegraphed everything.

But it would likely be the most awkward, clumsy-looking fight in memory.

 

Uhhh, no, i have clear up close footage of his fight with fitz.

[url]http://***************.com/showthread.php?25548-Bob-Fitzsimmons-Vs-Jim-Corbett-Veriscope-Film[/url]


But you knew that because you have my list riiiiiigggght? Lol.

 

I've always believed Tunney was just being kind to the older champ. Their "sparring" was recorded.

Corbett pulled his elbows way WAY back and telegraphed everything against Tunney, too. And Corbett was terrible at bringing his gloves back after throwing a punch.

Corbett was a pioneer. But by the time Tunney came along, Corbett couldn't offer Tunney much in terms of advice.

Watching their film, you can almost see Tunney kind of humoring Corbett like young guys did when an old, retired Ali got in the ring with them to spar.

 

i think there's a lot of truth to this. but ali was pretty good when he was younger.

 

Ali had bad technique and kept his hands low too.

My point is this. If you are a very quick and fast athlete with top reflexes and head moment as Corbett had, you have your own brand of defense. That's just how boxing goes. A modern example would be Calzaghe.

Height plays a role if you lean back. Corbett could do this, Greb in this fight had no such luxury.

In addition, Corbett had very good hand speed and an uncanny knack for punch anticipation. He also used feints, which became something of a lost art as decades of gloved boxing passed.

Greb was described as amateurish. He was likely a speedy grinder type with excellent stamina and durability.

Greb is giving up too much height, and weight. He's fighting a guy who was very fast too. Where is his edge? He's not winning in the clinches either.

Corbett by those who saw or by the judgment of the historians of the day ranked highly at heavyweight. Much higher than say Tommy Gibbons who won a decision over Greb.

Do you think you Tommy Gibbons was better than Jim Corbett?

No historian, fighter or writer I ever read and I've seen 50+ said he was. I;m sure there might be one or two exceptions, but I'll stand by that statement. Corbet > Gibbons, who defeated Greb somewhere between 167-169 pounds judging by his closest listed weight before and after the Greb fight.

Corbett's 185+ Who did Greb beat at 180+ that was decent?!

 

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I have 26 minutes of Fitz vs Corbett, some of which is at an up close angle. And yes I have a very detailed list of fights with your name on it.

Anyone who PM's me can have it. You can claim its just your public list if you choose

You're like some fictional dragon sitting upon his treasure with OCD that you will lose some piece of information or get ripped off via Youtube.

Doesn't sound like much fun to me.

 

Speed is one thing. Hands being low is also another thing.

But Telegraphing your punches is just bad.

Ali didn't telegraph his punches. Hearns kept his left arm way down. But he didn't c0ck his left arm way way back before throwing his jab. He fired it straight out from his hip.

Pulling your arm way back before you throw a punch is telegraphing your punches.

And Corbett did it to a ridiculous degree.

Look at the tapes. His elbow goes way back before his arm comes forward. If you were standing in front of the guy. As soon as his arm went backward ... you just had to step in and fire (and you'd beat him to the punch) or step back.

Corbett's feinting also included pulling his elbows way back before he faked throwing a punch.

Most people feint with their hands or shoulders using a forward motion - so the opponent thinks a punch is coming. You don't feint by moving your arms WAY BACK.

It's terrible.

Corbett, compared to the guys who came later, was just BAD.

 

I think you are getting caught up in the sparring session when Corbett was way past his prime

I'm not interested in the choreography, I am interested in the speed and reflexes that Corbett had which look good past his prime.

Watch Corbett vs Fitz. Corbett does not telegraph his punches at all. Nor does he pull his elbows back.

Some of the best defensive fighters in boxing had low hands. There are many ways to avoid a punch. Head movement, ducking, foot speed or blocking with the arms. News reads of Corbett describe the above.

 

News reads of Corbett were written when he was considered a "master" boxer.

We can see what he looked like. By even the standards 20 years after his retirement, he wasn't.

 

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Use google.
"Bob Fitzsimmons Vs Jim Corbett Veriscope Film"

 

Gibbons scaled 187lbs a year before he fought Greb.
He was routinely in the middle 170's, low 180's.

A better question might be who did Corbett ever beat in the 180'lbs' s who was "decent"?
Corbett only weighed 185lbs plus once in his entire career.!

Was Gibbons better then Corbett? YES!!!!

What a crock of sh*t from the sewage master!atsch

 

I think whats getting lost here is the question of whether corbett was better in his day compared to his peers or had more impact than gibbons or tunney. Thats totally different than whether or not tunney and gibbons were better head to head. No doubt Corbett had more impact and was more important in his day than gibbons. Tunney, well, thats arguable. But, anyone who watches any of the film we have on corbett and says with a straight face he was better than tunney or gibbons is ****ing nuts, stupid, or lying.