Joe Louis Rebuffs Jack Johnson.

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  1. mcvey

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    I am a huge admirer of Ali ,both as a fighter and as a man.:good
     
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    I honestly don't know which one you think was a truly great man.
    Was it Ali who advocated race and religious murder?
     
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    Louis loved his nation and his race.

    Johnson wanted to be the only black heavyweight champion and was not liked by black intellectuals of his time.


    Louis gave up his career for a while to join the army.

    Johnson would never do such a thing.


    Louis had it tough because of Johnson.

    Johnson had it tough mostly because of his own actions.


    The two men were miles apart on character. I do recall an article of Johnson painting Louis in a not so flattering way.

    Didn't Jack Johnson say, ''Louis was a slow footed manufactured boxer and a sucker for the right, with Poor Craftsmanship and Marked Mechanical Flaws'' ?
     
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    Hell no. If you understand as ",better man" being an uncle tom idiot without personality then yes... Louis was the "better man"
     
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    Johnson story is something out of a twilight zone fiction book.

    In the early 1900's, black America was trying to prove that they were just as good as their white counterpart. Johnson took as step further, and tried to prove that he was better than most human beings, regardless if they were white. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction, and nobody would believe someone like Johnson could achieve what he achieved, in the way he achieved it, if it hadn't happened. I'm still flummoxed as to why there is no blockbuster movie about this guy.

    Johnson was extremely intelligent. If Louis fought in Johnsons time, I'm 100% convinced he would never have been champion. Johnson got the title shot from Burns through his courageous antics. You think Louis would have chased Burns around the world? Never.

    Johnson may have been more of a pr*ck. But it's because of his character, not despite it, that he achieved what he achieved. Nobody was going to give Johnson a shot. He reached for it, and grabbed it.
     
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    And while we're on the subject, Johnson has one of my favorite quotes of all time:

    "I'm black. They never let me forget it. I'm black alright. I'll never let them forget it."
     
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    I love James Earl Jones I really do. But he's got nothing on Terry Crews on Morgan Murphy's voice. Nothing. Fact.
     
  8. mcvey

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    Louis had it tough because of racist c*nts like you!
     
  9. klompton2

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    What a crock of ****. Johnson's main objective was himself.
     
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    I need to dig up this film I have of Ali speaking at a University during his exile. It would be eye opening to so many who consider Ali a hero and a paragon of the civil rights movement. He goes on and on about "***gots," "Uncle Toms," "******s," " (who while black were simply worthless blacks to him), "white devils" and on and on. Its one of the most racist rants you will ever see and you could easily have put a white hood on his head and you wouldn't be able to tell whether it was a southern ******* under there or a militant black muslim.
     
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    Yeah, I said freedom. Personal freedom falls under freedom. Of course a dimwit like you who lacks basic comprehension skills wouldn't understand.
     
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    Context is key. Ali was rallying against a white America that was teaching people that blacks were inferior.

    An Uncle Tom was a reference to black people who gladly accepted their roles as inferior people. Ali was trying to break those shackles, and he succeeded in doing that as much as anyone else.

    You really have zero culture. And again you lack the capability to see the forest for the trees.
     
  13. BillB

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    This is from Ali's 1975 Playboy interview:

    ALI: A black man should be killed if he's messing with a white woman.
    Raping, patting, mischief, abusing, showing our women disrespect—a man should die for that. And not just white men—black men, too. We will kill you, and the brothers who don't kill you will get their behinds whipped and probably get killed themselves if they let it happen and don't do nothin' about it.

    PLAYBOY: And what if a Muslim woman wants to go out with non-Muslim blacks—or white men, for that matter?

    ALI: Then she dies. Kill her, too.

    Ali was also the N.O.I. liaison to the Ku Klux Klan.
    He addressed Klan rallies and told them to keep up the good work.
    This was during the era when the Klan was lynching and burning alive Black civil rights workers.

    Ali was a murderous vermin...period.

    Anyone who is a fan of Ali "the man" would have had no trouble embracing Hitler and Himmler during the 1930s and 1940s.
     
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    Whatever, you ****ing tool. "Rallying against white america" pffft. As if thats an excuse or a noble pursuit given his comments. Some of us can actually see the forest for the trees and see men for what they are, not as demigods because they are good at our favorite sport, you know, like 10 yr old kid would. Go back to making your ****ty youtube videos you sycophantic pinhead.
     
  15. mcvey

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    Johnson volunteered his services for the army when the US "finally entered" WW1.

    In 1908 when Johnson became champion the black population of America were treated like sh*t .
    Johnson was not responsible for that, bigoted ar*eholes like yourself called the shots ,and did for many years afterwards.

    When Louis began to surge towards the title Johnson told Roxborough he would be happy to tutor him and polish his weak points.Roxborough , all to aware of the baggage that Johnson would carry all his life ,refused.
    Johnson had made the stipulation that Blackburn whom he disliked ,and who hated him in return would have to go.

    Yes Johnson did say that about Louis and he was 100% right,
    as the Schmeling fight proved!
    Johnson made a bundle on that fight.
    I wonder if Johnson had been training Louis , he would have been able to correct the flaw that he spotted and Schmeling exploited?
    The flaw that Blackburn seems to have been oblivious to until after the fight!