Oscar De La Hoya Ducked Plenty Of Fighters In His Prime

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  1. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    He never fought Vernon Forrest when they both were prime welterweights in 2000.

    He never fought Winky Wright at 154 or 160.

    He ducked Zab Judah when he was undisputed 147 champion in 2005.

    Instead he was fighting Derell Coley, Arturo Gatti, Javier Castillejo.

    Oscar ducked plenty of fights after Tito tapped that ass.
     
  2. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Oscar couldn't make 147 anymore at 2005.

    Forrest priced himself out

    Winky didn't want the fight for some reason.


    Only person he did duck was the Tito rematch. Guy felt those chunky, career ending left hooks and didn't want anymore. He knew wtf time it was.
     
  3. ElCyclon

    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not this **** again.

    Obvious rantings of a moron.
     
  4. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    Draining himself to fight the likes of Steve Forbes after the biggest PPV on record at the time. What a champion:rofl

    He was suppose to fight Old Leonard if he did not get beat by Camacho.
     
  5. Thread Stealer

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    A little off topic, but Vernon Forrest and Winky Wright are two examples of how having all these belts is occasionally good. The alphabet soup is mostly ****ty, but it does help high-risk/low-reward fighters. There are more belts to choose from, while from the 1920s until the 1980s there were basically two recognized titles (and usually one guy had them both up until around the 60s and 70s).

    Forrest and Winky got bigger money/exposure fights against Shane Mosley. I don't think HBO would put up all that money if they weren't unification bouts. Also, what was with the oddsmakers having Mosley a 3 to 1 favorite against Winky? Those odds are insane. Of course he had name value, but don't they have people that actually follow the sport to help out with the odds? It was so obvious that Wright was gonna be an extremely tough matchup for Shane.

    I read that Winky or his team turned down $8 million for a De La Hoya fight. What the hell? Did they actually think he was worth more or something? Did they think it wasn't a legitimate offer? That's a bizarre decision.

    Don't mind the off-topic rambling, I'm intoxicated.

    My god that would have been painful to watch. The Norris beatdown was bad enough, Leonard somehow deluded himself into thinking after 6 years off he could do it again. It's a good thing he was fighting Camacho, a light puncher at that weight (and also far past his prime), and not a young guy with power.

    The 1979-82 Leonard is one of the best fighters that's ever lived. And Camacho was one hell of a fighter at 130 and 135 before his lifestyle issues caught the best of him. Seeing those two fight in 1997, and seeing Camacho beat Duran was just, ugh.
     
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    Norris deteriorated so quickly, it was a little weird. He was just 30 when he fought Mullings and it's not like he had a lot of wars, his chin prevented it.

    Norris said the excessive sparring wore him out. I'm sure it played a part in his brain damage. Norris just suddenly looked awful against Mullings. He had been one of the sharpest, most fluid movers and combination punchers in the sport. He had looked a little slower against Rupa and Rios than in previous years, but still miles better than he looked against Mullings.

    There was also talk of him fighting Trinidad around that time. Norris was the WBC champ at 154 and Tito fought Waters in a WBC title eliminator.

    That would have been all bad. Another Julian Jackson type ending.
     
  7. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Stfu boxing welcher, when one of your alts gets berma banned that mean ALL your alts give to. That boxing welcher screen name was not banned, YOU were banned
     
  8. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    :huh
     
  9. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You could quite literally go through every single fighter ever and find a whole bunch of "ducked" fighters. Though, first a duck needs to have a real definition to it on this board. Imho, you can only truly duck your #1 contendere.

    Just because there were other high class or high profile fighters around your weight we can't just call them ducking so and so. Remember, boxing is a business first and foremost which is how it's been from day one. Old fighters could get ripped only by newspapers so they had much more leeway and less media outlets to derail them. Fans were fans and we hadn't had until as recently as the 1980's the Internet to talk what we wanted nor was it easy for fighters to become known.

    Back in the 1 belt per division, all the fighters were fighting anyone they could to increase their ratings. Nor was it this easy for people (a few on this forum) to become trolls while others go online strictly to cyber stalk people.
     
  10. Thread Stealer

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    There hasn't been one belt per division since before the 1920s.

    Interesting, thanks. I haven't really done much reading regarding the IBU.
     
  11. aaalbert

    aaalbert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you think Tito tapped that ass, your an idiot.
     
  12. Flexb

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    What the hell are you talking about? Forrest wasn't in the same class as oscar at the same time. That said, Oscar demolished the guy who owned Forrest twice.
    And Zab Judah, wtf? Oscar was at middleweight then fighting hopkins FFS and you want to say he ducked the tiny glass jawed Judah :lol: Oscar would have KO'd judah inside 2 rounds anyway, Judah is a BUM.

    The only guy you can make an argument for oscar ducking is Winky Wright, but when Oscar is off fighting Hopkins, Mosley, Vargas (the man who BEAT Winky), etc you can't give him a hard time for that. The thing about Winky was he wasn't a draw, and oscar was a business man. Winky provided some risk with low reward. When oscar could fight guys like I mentioned who were similar risk but much higher reward. Winky just didn't bring enough to the table and only hardcore fans (low % of overall fanbase) wanted to see that fight.

    As for Trinidad, Oscar schooled that fool. And 80% of posters here believe that also, go search for the poll that was made years ago on that fight. Oscar only ever truly lost ONCE in his prime, to mosley in a close fight which was avenged but then robbed again in a fight he outlanded Mosley by 100 punches. :roll: A fight even Mosley knows he lost and was roided up to boot.
     
  13. Flexb

    Flexb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He didn't duck tito, are you kidding me? Tito demanded 60% and priced himself out of it. Oscar was by far the main draw, the vast majority of fans thought he won the fight, and he's gonna give tito 60%? Not happening. If memory serves oscar was good with 50-50 even but tito wouldnt do it.
     
  14. ElCyclon

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    Naw, I think he proved that way before the "Tito tapped that ass" comment.
     
  15. Imperial1

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    How are you not banned ,soTito tapped that ass what fight did you watch ? And you do know that Oscar offered Winky a fight right ? Seriously how are u still allowed to use a key board :patsch