Floyd vs Morales at 130

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  1. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie

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    It's a well known story that Erik Morales beat Floyd pretty badly in sparring in late 90's when Floyd was already a 130 titlist and Erik held title at 122. Erik also beat handily Chaves and Hernandes - two of the best Floyd's 130 lb oponents - when he moved up to 130. However, sparring and real fight are 2 different things, and Floyd always upped his game.

    What would you expect if the two faced at 130, both in prime condition?

    I presonally think Floyd will win in a tough, hard fight mostly based on his speed advantage. 115-113 Floyd.
     
  2. Brixton Bomber

    Brixton Bomber Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Agreed.

    How badly did Floyd get beat in sparring? Also, what year did that happen?
     
  3. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie

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    People who watched it said that Morales did better than Spadafora in sparring vs Floyd, but there's no video.

    It was like 1998, so Floyd was 21 and Erik was 1,5 years older. Floyd was less experienced as a pro at that time.
     
  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    So hard to pick against Floyd. Assuming this is prime v prime.He adjusted so well to styles and pace and different approaches. I'm a huge Eric fan, one of my very fave fighters of the last 20 years
     
  5. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Can't put that much stock in a sparring story
     
  6. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Floyd wins pretty clearly IMO
     
  7. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    Interesting fight, I like it.

    Morales was an amazing fighter. From 122 pounds to his early days at 130 pounds he was very special. A case can be made that he went undefeated thru his first 50 fights even though he really went 48-2 (34) in those fights. During this 12 years stretch (March of 1993 - March of 2005) he won World Titles at 122, 126, and 130. Later in his career he won a world title at 140. He beat Hector Acero-Sanchez, Daniel Zaragoza, Wayne McCullough, Marco Antonio Barrera, Kevin Kelley, Guty Espadas Jr. x2, In-Jin Chi, Paulie Ayala, Jesus Chavez, Carlos Hernandez, and Manny Fvcking Pacquiao!!! among others. He lost two close decisions to Barrera that really could have went either way... so could his win over Barrera to be honest, they were all close fights.

    So, 48-2 (34) overall and 20-2 (12) in World Title fights in his first 12 years as a pro. He lost two close decisions to Barrera but he also won a decision over Barrera. He won World Title Belts in 4 weight classes (3 within his first 12 years, another late in his career). He did not win world title belts at 135 or 147 but he did win some other belts in those weight classes. The point is he was very competitive from 122-147. Later in his career he won another world title fight and lost a few world title fights but he was clearly well past his prime by that time.

    Floyd Mayweather went 39-0 (25) overall and 18-0 (9) in World Title Fights at 130, 135, 140, and 147 thru his first 12 years as a pro. He would also win a World Title Belt at 154 later in his career. He never lost but many feel he should have vs. Castillo (1st fight) and DeLaHoya. Later in his career many felt he lost to Maidana (some feel both fights). Some people feel that his fight with Pacquiao could have been a draw or even a loss.

    So...

    Mayweather vs. Morales at 130?

    I'll be back
     
  8. N_ N___

    N_ N___ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The man who struggled with Espadas and got thoroughly outboxed by Raheem would not win.

    @hookie foh with the Maidana and "draw" talk
     
  9. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  10. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Floyd is hard to pick against given his crazy athleticism at that weight. But Morales is someone I definitely would want to see have a go at him for two reasons. One, he was his most complete version of himself at that weight even though he was fading (unlike Floyd who's IQ and experience helped him a lot better later on), and two, his style gives him a few possible keys to victory.

    On the first part, while Floyd had his way with Corrales and Hernandez, he was pressed by Augustus and Chavez and struggled with Castillo soon after. Despite being at championship level already, Floyd wasn't as versatile and savvy as he would late be at 140 and 147/154. Pressure and volume at this point were causing him visible problems, but against fighters inferior to Morales.

    At this point, Morales had beaten several ATG's, and stylistically, Junior Jones was likely the most similar until Raheem, when Morales was past his prime.

    Morales had equal height and reach, which is very unusual for Floyd. This helps the fact that Morales's best punches-his jab and overhand right-are two punches Floyd most consistently gets hit with (being that defensively perfect makes it easier to find holes in the pattern).

    So I could see Morales, cutting the ring off and working smartly behind a jab, trying to time that overhand right over the shoulder and selectively target the body with combinations, being able to give Floyd fits. The version that lost to Raheem doesn't beat him, but a fresher version could give him a run for his money.

    It's a really good fight and Erik might end up being stopped if Floyd is forced to fight, but I also see a possibility that Morales is too seasoned an aggressor for young Floyd to consistently and easily out-point.
     
  11. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    Morales was well past prime vs. Raheem and it was his first fight over 130. He definitely had an off night. Espadas? What happened in the rematch?

    Morales deserved the decision vs. Espadas. Are we going to pretend that Mayweather never struggled? Hernandez (got dropped), Castillo (should have lost), Judah, DeLaHoya, Mosley (was badly hurt vs. the old man), Ortiz (more than holding his own before the stoppage), Cotto, Alvarez, Maidana x2, Pacquiao.
     
  12. Hookie

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    ...and Floyd's dlck is smelling like mrkoolkevin's shlt! That's what N_N__ said anyway.
     
  13. Eastpaw

    Eastpaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    floyd lost to maidana, drew with de la hoya, lost to castillo, and lost to pacquiao.
     
  14. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    You even misused the "No Vaseline" reference. Moron. If you think Maidana or Pacquiao possibly beat Mayweather, then you're either biased (for whatever reason) or you don't know **** about boxing.
     
  15. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I like Floyd because of his speed but I'll say one thing and it's that I have never ever seen a more game fighter than Erik Morales .. my god was he the definition of a warrior .. unreal ..