yes i know this is in the classic section but it's about hagler so i'm keeping this here. i honestly think golovkin is an ATG middle, probably not the same caliber of a hagler or a monzon but he's definitely up there. how would a golovkin-hagler fight play out? i know hagler was able to shake off hearns best punches but hearns did move up in weight and his middleweight footage proves that his power wasn't as devastating at 160 as it was at 147. hearns was an absolute banger at 147. golovkin hits harder than hearns(not trying to sound blasphemous) and he's a come forward fighter with very good defense who knows how to keep his distance. obviously hagler would close the gap but against a fighter who hits that hard, how would that play out for hagler? i'm not saying that hagler wouldn't beat him, he'll probably knock him out, but would hagler be a changed fighter after the war or would he be the same. i see brain damage as a result.
You don't understand; Martin Murray does not go 11 against Tommy Hearns, Daivid Lemieux does not go 8. Just doesn't happen. A guy like James Shuler, one of the nobodies on Hearns record was better than everyone GGG has fought. Look him up, he died early of a motorcycle crash but he was a HUGE prospect. Hearns knocked him out cold in 2 minutes.
I don't think a Golovkin vs Hagler matchup is absurd by any means. Golovkin to me is an ATG middle. Antuofermo, Geraldo and a fat old tiny Duran took Marvin to a decision, Golovkin is responsible defensively and would counter Marvin pretty well. Golovkin's a bigger puncher than Hearns at 160lbs, Hagler went life and death with him even though Hearns had broken his hand in the first round. Likewise, Hagler (albeit a slipping Hagler) had a ridiculously gruelling fight with a blown up Light Middleweight Mugabi. Golovkin hits harder than Mugabi, yes he does. Golovkin is far more skilful, too. Also, Hagler operates EXACTLY at the range Golovkin fights his very best. I'm not saying Golovkin would beat Hagler, I'm just calling for people to think critically enough.
Yeah, the fight was somewhat one-sided. Hearns's legs weren't there after the first round (I don't know how much stock you want to put into Steward's leg massage story). From late in the 1st round on, it was pretty much all Hagler. Hearns from the 2nd on was trying to box and move and Hagler kept getting to him. The cut was more of a threat to Hagler than what Hearns was doing. I'm also not too sure that Hagler took Hearns's "best punches", as it's often been said. He took some hard shots but Hearns's best punch was the straight right hand when he got distance on it. He was brilliant at getting leverage and putting his body behind that right hand at distance (Cuevas, Duran, Shuler). Hagler had a steel chin so he probably could have taken a few of those shots, but he did a terrific job at closing the distance and he didn't have to take that shot. In changing from his usual style and coming forward like a bull, Hagler took away Tommy's best weapons.
I'm a big Hearns fan,and remember that fight well.Never heard it ****ized like that.Very insightful.That night,the two fighters,as Ray Leonard quoted,ABANDONDED THEIR STYLES AND WENT FOR BROKE.Hagler knew that if Hearns started boxing him,he would have a much tougher time,especially if Tommy were to land that jab and right from a distance.Hagler brilliantly closed the gap and turned it into a streetfight.Would have loved a rematch,but Leonard stepped into the picture.
I like Hagler...I rate him in the top three of all time at middle. It would be a great fight against GGG. Hagler dec.
You can't call him one yet, because he hasn't won the big fights yet. But I'll be damned if he isn't showing qualities of an ATG. My prediction is he will go down as a top 100 puncher when his career is over.
To some posters who deride the ability of GGG ,saying "who did Golovkin ever beat" to even mention him in the same breath as Hagler ? As GGG has overwhelmed , and flattened every opponent of his thus far, what more could Hagler have done better against these same opponents, were Hagler to be around today. ? KILL THEM ? If GGG had struggled with any of his opponents since he turned pro, I could understand these "poster experts" criticizing Golovkin and remarking that Marvin Hagler would have done better against this bunch of GGG victims, fortifying their contention that GGG doesn't belong in the same ring with a Hagler, so I repeat what more could a Hagler of today have done better than koing every one of GGG's opponents as Golovkin has done ??? Let me remind the skeptics of GGG that in over 335 amateur and pro fights Gennady Golvkin has never been FLOORED...Quite a revealing statistic showing the true prowess of Golovkin...I have been accused of NOSTALGIA when I posted that the 1940s and 1950s had so many more fighters and better fighters because of the talented competition around then, but there are "modern fighters" of today that would do very well against the top fighters of yesterday and a GGG and a Kovalev would hold their own with most everyone of yesterday... P.S. Hagler a southpaw was a top MW no doubt, but I truly refuse to believe that a bleeder like Vito Antuofermo could last 15 rounds with an all around powerful and cutting puncher that Golovkin is...Where am I wrong ?...