Klitschko-Fury: ****ysis

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  1. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    So it's been a few months now that one of the biggest upsets in heavyweight championship history occured; Tyson Fury beat Wladimir Klitschko to win the WBA, WBO and IBF heavyweight titles and begin a new era.

    The fight itself doesn't live up to the sheer effect of the impact it had on the division. In fact, it was one of the most boring fights in recent memory. Neither fighter showed much offensively, but that doesn't mean Fury didn't put up a fine boxing clinic.

    The point of this thread is to clear up some myths on why Wladimir went out the way he did, and what in all likelihood really happened.

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    1. AGE:

    You've definitely head it a million times at this point. "Wlad was shot", "Wlad was too old", "Wlad was mentally unprepared". All sorts of excuses to take away credit from Fury. People tried to equate this fight with Ali-Holmes or Tyson-Williams/McBride. Let's just say that's bull****.

    Ali had an incredibly taxing career and took a huge amount of punishment in a high number of bouts which impacted him physically and mentally. Tyson had a young mans style that was not meant for longetivity, had to take several years off the sport on 2 occassions, and did not lead a clean lifestyle.

    Wlad in comparison is one of the few heavyweights that "barely got hit" during his career. You've definitely seen people bring this up when arguing his greatness. He also has a very economic, low-output style revolving around power and strength which ages well.

    Now, Wlad was not in his prime. This was not the guy that shut out Haye in 2011. But this WAS the guy that ruined Pulevs world last years. This WAS the guy that embarassed Povetkin in his backyard 2 years ago. Sure, he probably isn't as sharp and quick as he used to be, but he was in great shape and showed little signs of significant deterioration.

    2. FURYS "SPEED":

    Another point that is brought up but is nonsense is that Fury was too fast for Wlad. No he wasn't. This was not a replay of Liston-Ali, where Wlad/Liston is leading with jabs and power punches and Fury/Ali is outmaneuvering him. It wasn't.

    At no point of the fight did Wlad have trouble cutting the ring off on Fury. You'll notice that Wlad was actually in front of him most of the time. Now, Fury did manage distance well. Excellent, in fact. He was always in position to land his own punches while Wlad was just a bit short on his. BUT AT ANY POINT OF THE FIGHT, WLAD COULD HAVE WENT AT HIM GUNS BLAZING, and Fury would not be able to escape him. Now, why didn't he? Well, let's talk about that.

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    Wlad by nature is a cautious man. His style is simple; hit and don't get hit. You see a lot of people utilizing this style. Most of the time they're counterpunchers. Wlad wasn't. His style was based on having an advantage in range and always being able to get off first. He did NOT have that advantage against Fury, and the limitations of his style were immediately exposed.

    1. Feinting:

    Fury feinted. A lot. This threw Wlad off his game completely. He was never static and Wlad was never sure. It created doubt in his mind that leading could screw him over royally. Whenever he tried to attempt something, Fury would feint and Wlad would reset. Over and over again. This gave him a headache.

    2. Offensive limitations:

    Let's face it. Wlad over the last decade was somewhat of a robot, unlike his brother who was a natural. His style was mechanical and limited, his offense especially. Once upon a time he had a great offense; Combination punching, hooks off the jab, even the occassional bodyshot. But Steward changed that. Wlads offense now consists of two punches, his left hook and his right hand.

    His left hook is a close-range punch and he cannot throw it at long distances.. Since this fight was fought at range, it was basically useless.

    Which leaves his right hand. The right hand, that in combination with his jab dominated a decade of world class fighters. His vaunted 1-2 made for some incredibly dominant performances. So what was the problem against Fury? He couldn't get the "1" right. He couldn't lead with his right hand, but instead almost always set it up with his jab. Since Fury was the boss at range, Wlad couldn't get his jab in successfully, and thus the right hand never followed.

    3. Counter-punching:

    A silent weakness of Wlads is that he is especially gunshy against counter-punchers. You could see this in the Haye fight, but the worst case was against Ibragimov, probably the most boring title fight of all time. Ibragimov, who had a sneaky counter left hand gave Wlad fits. The fight looked like a circus act, with both of them pawing with their jabs, at times for minutes. It took Wlad 5 rounds to unleash his first right hand. The same amount it took him to throw one against Fury.

    He was able to get away with this because he was much bigger than Ibragimov, and was able to outjab him and even throw an occassional power-punch without risk. But this time around, Fury was the one getting his jabs in and landing consistently, while Wlad cluelessly follwed him around.






    So there you have it folks. A detailed list of reasons why Wlad did, and probably always would have lost to Fury. Just a stylistic nightmare. :good
     
  2. Blackclouds

    Blackclouds Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fury isn't going to win the same way twice. We will see a much better, and more aggressive effort by Wlad and he does have the offensive tools needed. If he can adapt to the bigger fighter he wins.
     
  3. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    He'll need to revert back to his old days to beat him. Fury is an opponent he can't beat with his normal style. Can he do it?
     
  4. gdm

    gdm Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Fury beats 40year old wlad 9 times out of 10 , but wlad from 2011 would beat Fury 10 times out of 10
     
  5. gdm

    gdm Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    He's too old for that , he can't pull the trigger anymore.
     
  6. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    When Vlad finally announces the rematch he will literally be a brand new android with updated software.

    As we speak Vlad is strapped down in a Moscow secret laboratory undergoing advanced techniques in electro-shock and hypnosis therapy while watching old Japanese movies of Godzilla vs the robot. This is the version where Godzilla terrorizes the hapless Japanese citizens and turns Tokyo into a garbage hep until Japanese scientists construct a giant Robot programmed with one mission, to defeat and send Godzilla scurrying back to the bottom of the ocean.

    I predict the result of the rematch;

    The Robot by RTD, round 8.
     
  7. Beatle

    Beatle Sheer Analysis Full Member

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    Nah, Vlad is one-dimensional. He's taking the rematch only to make one last big payday without getting KTFO. It will be a boring repeat of the first fight, with Vlad laughing all the way to the bank as he counts our money.
     
  8. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Solid points but age was a factor. I was at the Jennings fight and Wlad didn't look great. His reflexes have slowed alot. He is 40. But I do agree Fury's feinting made Wlad constantly pause for fear of a counter. We'll see how rematch goes.
     
  9. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Don't forget head/body movement from fury.
     
  10. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Did Wlad beating a 40 year old , tiny Mormeck convince you of that?
     
  11. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The original post is very well written and I agree


    Very observant and insightful input

    I just Read in a recent article that Wlad now "knows what to do" against Fury. It'll be interesting to see how he alters his fighting style (lunging in with a lead left hook will be used a lot, is my guess) and just how effective it is

    And if Fury is also fighting with a revised style to offset what he surely knows will be a revitalized Wlad

    Bring on the rematch in June!
     
  12. dan4579

    dan4579 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hell yeah, he totally controlled Mormeck and then finished him off in style. If you subtract the clinches, that was truly an impressive 2 minutes and 12 seconds of fighting by Wladimir👍🏼
     
  13. turnip

    turnip Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Vlad is finished fury will take him apart this time.he will have zero fear of Vlad now watch the fight again look at Vlad look at his eyes his body language he was completely lost surrendered his title without trying .fury was completely unfazed in the run up to the fight walking about like he was on holiday .people like Vlad as he is a gent and a decent chap and hope he can come back and win the rematch. This will not happen fury is not playing with a full deck and will enjoy hammering Vlad in front of his own fans he is not a nice person .Vlad is in big trouble.
     
  14. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Based on the Jennings fight, I certainly believe age was a big factor considering Wlad beat much better fighters than Jennings easier. But, Fury's gameplan and execution of the gameplan was just as big of a factor. The key for Fury was to neutralize th jab, and once Wlad couldn't find the spot to land his jab, he had absouletly no idea what to do in there.
     
  15. polishstud53

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    i dont like when people say things like he beats him 10 times out of 10..anything can happen in boxing...look at the glazkov martin fight...freak accidents can occur....your arm can pop out, you can hurt your leg, etc...no match is 100%. if it were there would be no point for bookies