Vitali VS Liston

Liston wins. Vitali would not be able to deal with Liston's jab.

 

Liston would clobber him.

 

Size matters in boxing... ever hard about weight classes?

 

Sonny Liston,amoung Ali,Foreman and Tyson, is the best boxer in the last 50-60 years.

Vitali will be absolutely destroyed.

 

I think there's a limit to size being an advantage. At a certain size, you simply don't have balance and dexterity. Foreman echoed this in a recent interview. And it's obvious when you see people like the Klitschkos, Lewis, or Fury, who can't move quickly without looking wobbly.

 

LOL at the "Liston would destroy him" brigade.

Billy Joiner, Eddie Machen, Bert Whitehurst, Marty Marshall ... etc ... all "atg" ( :roll: ) calibre fighters that took Liston the distance. Marty actually beat Liston as well. If he couldn't take care of these nobodies, he's going to "destroy" an ATG shw with a record like Vitali?

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Good luck with that

 

Liston would be better than anything Vitali ever faced excepting a well over the hill Lewis maybe. Actually no, Lewis was miles past it. Liston had underrated skill too. The Bear for me.

 

Yes, but you forget the unwritten rule: the application of a "heavyweight" label eliminates all that physics rubbish that applies to the rest of the sport.

For example:A heavyweight fighter today defending against a Cruiserweight will get minimal credit. If said Cruiserweight is larger than most classic heavyweights (who would either be favored or treated as a tough matchup), credit is still minimal. It's a heavy fighting a cruiser, after all.

Now, call that 6 foot, 185-205 pounder a heavyweight instead? That's the golden ticket that gives admission for one to "F you, physics", playing this weekend in the Fantasy Boxing Zone.

The label is critical. This is why you don't see people favoring Ike Williams,who fought and beat much better fighters, over Golovkin despite routinely brushing off larger size differences at heavyweight. If they called that fight a heavyweight showdown, people would magically be inclined to start wagering on Ike. There'd be no reason not to!

Hope this helps!

 

That's priceless. The idea that just because it's called the "heavyweight" division somehow suspends the law of physics is mind-boggling and yet it is routinely applied to arguments about how small ATG fighters would beat the skilled shw of today. This is why l'm not a fan of pitting the legends of yesterday against the legends of today. If the skill levels are even close you then have to suspend physics to get the old legend a victory. I'm a huge Dempsey fan,but no way in hell does he beat the best versions of Lewis/Vitali/Bowe.

 

there are no legends of today, that why.

laws of physics applies more greatly with ability to land punches with most effect, and not just to "having more body weight". or else big boy buster mathis and big daddy would have been hw champs, not frazier, ali and liston, and the ring would have been ruled by fat wrestlers going part time.

work it out, sap.

 

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Silly comments. Maybe you don't consider today's ATG's such as Lewis/Wlad/Holyfield as legends but l think most would agree they are well on their way. And no one said weight was the equivalent of size. Fighters such as Lewis not only have reach and weight advantages they also have leverage on their side which also enhances power. Hearns vs Duran is a perfect example of how the size of two relatively comparably skilled fighters can affect the outcome of a fight.

 

50 years from now Wlad, Lewis, Holy, Vits etc will have the golden patina of "that was a real tough era" and "they don't make em like they used to" applied to them.

 

I like Vitali here. Tall, rangey, tough, good technical skills. Primarily I think he'd just land more on Liston than vice-versa.

 

John!
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