How much more wins does Genna need to become the best ever Russian Fighter?

Your argument is impenetrable when you cherrypick comments from a collective of people and act like they all came from a single entity. Once again, there is nothing wrong with catchweights where catchweights need to exist. Meeting Floyd at 154 and Ward at 164 is not the same thing as fighting Canelo at 155 for the lineal middleweight title.

 

nobody cared when pac took a few lbs off of cotto for a belt...or when floyd had canelo come in under 154...nobody really gives a ****....meeting floyd at 154 wouldnt be a cw anyway

nobody will care about 155 if ggg met canelo and whooped him..t.he only people that would cry about it are the ggg joyboys if he lost...

 

Meeting Floyd at 164 would effectively be a catchweight even if it technically isn't. Argue semantics if you want to though, I won't stop you.

I fail to see how Floyd and Pacqiuao setting catchweights against two larger men compares. Theres only a couple pounds between Golovkin and Canelo. And I'm pretty sure both of those fights had people calling out the catchweight nonsense from fans of the opposite fighter. Not nearly as much as GGG/Canelo, but then again GGG/Canelo is much more warranted taking into consideration that fan response may largely effect what weight GGG/Canelo come in at while complaints of Pacqiuao and Mayweather were just rumblings of upset fans who didn't get everything they wanted after the fact.

 

Ta the level of competition German GG has been fighting, I calculate that he will need to fight at least 40 more opponents before he is acknowledged in the top 100 MWs in history.

 

ggg dont wanna go up(well he does but only for certain guys that are ripe)...and he dont want to go down....despite saying he would do both for a big fight

canelo is as big of a fight as hes ever going to get....he needs to do something.....its getting ridiculous watching him time and time again against minor league fighters

 

GGG will go down for Mayweather and up for Chavez jr and Froch. Basically for money, not easy pickings. Froch isn't easy and neither is Floyd. Canelo is obligated to defend his title at 160 and by WBC rules Golovkin can't be forced to give into Canelo's demand of a catchweight.

Other than Canelo, GGG is the A-side to everyone else, so he isn't going to magically get any more bargaining power from beating Canelo. He can also make just as much money fighting Eubank and Saunders in the UK as he can fighting Golovkin. If Canelo wants to fight GGG at 155 so bad then he can drop his belt. That way he would be giving Golovkin no reason to refuse his catchweight. Though I doubt his cash cow status would stay in tact after he drops his belt. It's up to Canelo to make this fight happen and he's trying his best to prevent it.

 

canelo is a money fight .....

if canelo drops that belt then canelo is not fighting ggg....if ggg wont fight him at 155 now why would he if he doesnt have the belt...lol....canelos status isnt going to change if he drops the belt man.....

 

Mom is korean, is he the best korean boxer of all time?

 

Good job. A money fight, not THE money fight. Glad we're past that. Canelo holding a 160 lb title and the lineal middleweight title is the entire basis golovkins argument stands on. If Canelo drops it, goes and fight 154 while claiming he's still a jr. Middleweight, then Golovkin has no choice but to give in to a catchweight if he wants the Canelo fight.

I honestly don't know why people defend Canelo anymore. Theres a reason talks with Quillin and Jacobs haven't happened. It's because neither of those fighters can make 155. Preventing two top fighters who comfortably make 160 the opportunity to fight for 160 lb titles is something that should be heavily shamed.

 

There's a million of your old posts where you've asked this question and it's been answered for you many many times. Are you learning disabled? You really need a hobby

 

I don't know whether he did or not and if not then why not. I wasn't party to the negotiations. But a reasonable guess would be because those guys would be a much bigger pay pack than Ward could ever bring. None of which is really relevant to the point at hand, which is that Ward is not entitled to have the deck stacked in his favour for every fight and you can't call guys scared of him because they want the fight on fair terms. Team Ward backed out of negotiations pretty quickly once the idea of a compromise was mooted.

 

For me the difference is simple. Cotto and Alvarez were under no obligation to take those fights. Both could have said no and told May and Pac they need to fight at the proper weight class if they want to consider getting a title shot. That said, Pac was still coming up to fight for a welter belt when he had been fighting at 130 18 months earlier. Mayweather was never a natural junior middle either. Cotto/Canelo had size advantages and got tempted by the money on offer. So be it but no point moaning about it if you then lose. This is an entirely different kettle of fish to Canelo Alvarez at the moment who walks around calling himself the linear middleweight champion but refuses to countenance the idea of fighting genuine middleweights at the proper weight.

 

[QUOTE="TKO";17759653]I don't know whether he did or not and if not then why not. I wasn't party to the negotiations. But a reasonable guess would be because those guys would be a much bigger pay pack than Ward could ever bring. None of which is really relevant to the point at hand, which is that Ward is not entitled to have the deck stacked in his favour for every fight and you can't call guys scared of him because they want the fight on fair terms. Team Ward backed out of negotiations pretty quickly once the idea of a compromise was mooted.[/QUOTE]

The actual simplest answer is neither froch or chavez are as good as ward ......Froch is old near retired and not as skilled...chavez is a bum......that's the actual answer.......those fights fell thru and ward was in the picture recently and he would have been ggg's highest payday to date.....fighting at 168 is not stacking the deck for ward when ggg himself has pursued fights in that weight class and it's an actual weight class

Team ward backed out when they realized k2 was asking him to do something he couldn't do......they knew k2 wasn't serious .....loeffler himself said "we have other plans but maybe 2017 is possible (oh u mean it's possible when ward is a full fledged lhw by then? What a joke)"........floating 164 was a surefire way to make sure Ward moved on ....not a way to try and make the fight

 

Froch and Chavez aren't as good as Ward and that played a large part in the reason why GGG requested a catchweight. Though it's not nearly the only reason. but you like to ignore that. Ward being GGG's highest payday to day isn't very relevant. Canelo is a much larger payday and so was Cotto. A fight with Canelo/Cotto bother offered a higher payday and a 160 title whereas a Ward fight brought significantly less money, forced him to go up in weight just to have to come back down to 160 in the future and gave a good chance at being beat and loosing all bargaining power he had accumulated at 160.

The simple fact is is that GGG won the negotiationad and the media game. GGG had a legitimate reason to offer Chavez and Froch 168 and not Ward. All Ward had to do was counter offer 164 with 168 and adjust the price split and he would have had all the bragging rights when and if GGG turned it down. But as simple as that was to do he didn't do it and thats Wards fault. Why did Ward not do it? Some say he was scared of GGG, some say he looked at Kovalev as a bigger payday and a better name on his resume. He would be right in thinking that too. Saying Ward couldn't make 164 is hypocritical when he himself said that he could make 160 for floyd. I personally don't care what either fighter said they would make as both statements about what weight they would go to were said long in the past and are no longer relevant to the situation at hand.

The fact of the matter is that it was a good fight that both fighters had to go out of their way to make. GGG had a better option of sticking around 160 for Canelo and Ward had a better option of going to LHW for Kovalev. GGG and Ward fighting would postpone both of their more profitable objectives and risk their chances of winning fights in the future against stiff competition because of dodgy weight fluctuations. The only thing that made a move to 168 worth it for GGG is the promise of retirement money in case it became a career ending move.

 

Then .. Ward is White? Ok, I got it!