Prime Jones (on roids) vs Lewis

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Click on the number and all will be revealed.
     
  2. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Even a glancing right hand from Lewis would KO RJJ.
     
  3. Young Terror

    Young Terror ★ Griselda ★ Full Member

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    Lewis would knock Jones out with a glancing jab.

    Roids cant improve an horrible chin.
     
  4. MAJR

    MAJR Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This could be similar to Moorer/Foreman. With Jones being faster and more agile he'd be able to avoid getting hit clean by Lewis for much of the fight but when Lewis catches him clean then it's all over.
     
  5. BCS8

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    No! Et tu ...
     
  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  7. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Beterbiev has already fought up at HW as an amateur. HW in the amateurs is the equivalent to CW in the pros. He lost to the gold medalist up at HW (Oleksandr Usyk) in the 2012 Olympics and the 2011 World Amateur championships, both times by 4 points. And he didn't turn pro until he was till he was 28 years old, whereas your god Roy turned pro aged 21 so obviously he still had a lot of growing to do.

    I know this is really difficult concept for a lot of you clowns (not directed at you) on here to grasp but many of these fighters who have really extensive amateur careers and turned pro in their mid to late 20s have already done the moving up multiple weight divisions thing long before they ever joined the pro ranks.

    And Kovalev has fought in his homeland a grand total of two times, and fought in his opponent's backyard/home country where everything is stacked against him many times, and he's taken his titles, risking everything he's worked so hard for, on the road to his opponent's backyard or home country numerous times too. How many times did prime Roy ever do that?

    Kovalev took all 3 of his world titles on the road to Pascal's backyard where everything was stacked against him, titles he'd actually earned of the real champ as opposed to them being stripped of the rightful owner like they did with Dariusz. How many times did prime Roy do that? He wouldn't have ever dared done such a thing and you know it.

    Kovalev already beat the rightful unified WBA and IBF champion in Gabriel Campillo before he had to go through B-Hop to get his hands on those belts for real, Campillo hadn't lost legitimately in something like 5 or 6 years going into that fight.
     
  8. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Serge,

    Hi mate, thanks for your great reply on the other thread regarding David Starie etc. I'll reply back soon.

    Amateur and pro are obviously two very different things. But I take your points on board. I'm a fan of Artur and I've enjoyed reading your posts about him in the last year. I was upset when he got injured and had to have surgery, because his last performances were fantastic. I've heard he's fighting in March/April, and I can't wait. I'm hoping that he's going to have at least 3 fights this year.

    I wasn't in any way criticising Artur, I was just trying to emphasise my point. Which was that in my opinion, Roy doesn't get enough credit for his easy domination of Ruiz.

    A lot of today's LHW's who are Roy's size, may never venture out of the division.

    It's okay for people to say "it was only Ruiz and he was garbage..." but no other LHW's were eager to take him on.

    If what Roy did was so easy, then more people would have done it in the modern era. Roy beat Ruiz 13 years ago now, but nobody has been up since. So it pi$$es me off to see the disrespect. We'll have to wait and see if Artur and Sergey move up in the future.

    Andre Ward and Bernard Hopkins have spoken of going up in the past. But saying and doing are two different things. I think Roy deserves respect for fighting Ruiz, even though Ruiz wasn't a great HW.

    :good

    I respect what Sergey has done. But everyone's circumstances are different. Like so many other non U.S. fighters, Sergey has moved to the U.S. to progress his career. Roy never had to make those concessions because his circumstances were different. He had the advantage of being American, fighting on HBO from a young age. Roy travelling abroad in his prime would have been like Mayweather travelling. I couldn't imagine that Floyd would ever have gone to somewhere Germany, no matter what the circumstances had been.

    Roy started to travel after his prime because his circumstances had changed. He was no longer in the position of power he was once in. He didn't have any belts and he had to travel and take fights to move up the CW rankings in the hope of getting a title shot.

    Again, I appreciate that, but that's just circumstances. Kovalev taking his belts to Canada to face Pascal, wasn't the same as asking Roy to take all of the main belts to Germany.

    I know you don't respect Roy's reasons for not going to Germany, especially as Virgil Hill went over. You're entitled to that opinion. But I think they were valid reasons and I don't blame him for not going. He'd had his fingers burnt in the Olympics, and he'd seen Dariusz embarrassingly feign injury to get Rochigianni disqualified. And although there's always been horrible decisions all throughout the world that's included the U.S. Germany had a bad reputation in the late 90's/early 00's. Some of Ottke's decisions were highly questionable. In 2001, Roy said "I don't think a knockout would be enough over there." We don't know how many other fighters would have gone to Germany had they been in Roy's shoes. Personally, I don't think Sergey took a huge risk in going to Canada to fight Jean Pascal.

    Beating Campillo and Hopkins (at 50) isn't that impressive to me.


    :good
     
  9. ki_ote

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    Did he come in at 154 for this 160 fight? Lol.
    Either way, that was a beautiful shot and certainly would have ko'd Lennox.
     
  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I will reply to this tomorrow, or the day after. I'm just about to go and watch a couple of episodes of Breaking Bad (5 episodes into season 5 now) and then I'll either hit the hay or will be too tired.

    I wish you would try and keep the length of your replies to me down a little bit though mate as it wouldn't be so much of a chore for me to reply to them. Some stuff we have already discussed numerous times or it has been done to death on here and my stance on it isn't going to change. But in short, yes Kovalev took a huge risk taking all 3 of his belts over to Pascal's backyard and I really couldn't give a **** about all these gargantuan ego super entitled diva have gloves won't travel American fighters always having the deck heavily stacked in their favour when facing foreign opposition. **** them and their whining. Beterbiev was robbed in Olympics and the World Amateur championships, both times of which against the gold medalist. And some feel he beat Usyk in one of their fights too (can't remember if it was in the Olympics or the World Championships). :good
     
  11. Loudon

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    Serge,

    Enjoy.

    I've seen it in it's entirety twice now.

    It was amazing.

    :lol:

    Okay mate.

    Speak to you soon.

    :good
     
  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Yes it's excellent. A friend has been badgering me to watch it for years, literally, and he was getting pretty ****ed off with me for not getting round to doing it (I have a long list of things I have to catch up on) so I have finally done so and I've really been enjoying it. Personally I think Game of Thrones is better but it's still brilliant and definitely one of the very best series out there. At first I liked Walter the most (he's a fantastic actor), but now Mike is my favourite.

    I haven't really been watching much TV or films these last few years but I went on a bit of a true crime spree before Christmas where I watched a lot of documentaries. Someone recommended The Jinx: The Life and Deaths of Robert Durst to me (it's a six-part documentary series) and I absolutely loved it and I got a real thirst for seeing something similar so I had a look online to see what I could find. Since then I've seen

    Making a Murderer (10 part series) which is also absolutely fantastic.

    The Staircase (8 part series)

    Into the Abyss

    The Ward Boys which was on Youtube until recently. I really enjoyed that too. There's another award winning documentary about their story called Brother's Keepe which is meant to be very similar but I've not seen it.

    The Imposter which is also excellent.

    There's Something Wrong With Aunt Diane.

    And a few more which I can't recall right now.

    If you're into that sort of thing, and I really wasn't really up until recently, you should definitely give The Jinx: The Life and Deaths of Robert Durst a go, Making a Murderer (both of those series are absolutely compelling viewing that will grab your attention and keep you hooked to it wanting more. I have very poor concentration and it takes a lot for something to captivate me like that. And The Ward Boys (you can find a link to it if you just type ''The Ward Boys documentary'' into Google (second link down). That's definitely worth checking out. And The imposter was great too. In fact, they're all really good.

    Have a little read up on them if you fancy (assuming you haven't already seen them or some of them that is). If not no matter :D

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4299972/?ref_=tt_rec_tti

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5189670/?ref_=tt_rec_tti

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103888/

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1966604/?ref_=nv_sr_1

    :good
     
  13. Beterbiev

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    I just got done watching Breaking Bad. Seems were are last two on planet to finally get round to watching show hahaha

    I like Mike too. Donest miss the trick. And Walt of course. And everyone seems to love Gus. Just a great great show

    ......

    What one you recommend to watch next? (I seen Making Murderer - what a ****ing horror show)

    16 year old girl told me Twin Peaks was brilliant. Do you agree it is worth the watch?
     
  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :lol: I know a few people who still haven't seen it.

    Yeah Mike is great. It took me awhile to appreciate him fully but he's really come into his own for me in the last 2 series.

    I like Gus a lot as well. He was my second favourite character up until recently.

    Making a Murderer is a head ****. It's still really difficult to know what to believe even after finishing it. It's absolutely riveting TV though.

    I really enjoyed The Jinx the most. That kept me glued to the screen and yearning to see the next episode ASAP. I watched the whole thing in about 4 days, although quite a lot of people did it all in one sitting. Some did that with Making a Murderer too even though it's like 10 hours long or something in total. I can totally understand why someone would want to do that even though I personally couldn't. They're all really good though. Have a read up on them and see which ones tickle your fancy. I'd say Whatever Happened To Aunt Diane is the worst, but I enjoyed that too. It's a terribly tragic story though (even more so than the others) and upsetting to watch.

    I love Twin Peaks. I saw it a very long time ago but I really enjoyed it. It's very odd and surreal but I like that. :good
     
  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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