Who Won The Roy Jones Vs Bernard Hopkins Rivialry?

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    The third fight was a really boring fight. Didn't like it.

    But Hopkins has been hugging his way to racking up boring decision losses for a decade now.
     
  2. lefthandlead

    lefthandlead Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'll say Joe Calzaghe did:lol:
     
  3. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    True.
    Calzaghe, and more specifically his manager, FW, waited until both Jones and Hopkins slowed down considerably before they dared to come near them. Joe says he didn't like to fly, but once Jones and Hopkins degraded, Joe jumped on a flight with a quickness.
    Golovkin has a lot of Calzaghe in him. :smoke
     
  4. Hotsauce

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  5. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hops, Jones is the #1 can man, any can knocks him the fack out
     
  6. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Roy Jones won the most relevant fight between the two and had higher highs in his career. History will look back more fondly at Roy Jones, and the eye test is obviously going to favour Roy Jones. Is there even such a thing as a Hopkins highlight video?
     
  7. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I decided not to add a poll to the thread because I'm sure at least several already exist.
    Rather, an enjoyable discussion was the intention.

    Both fighters are ATGs worthy of respect, and both will have their loyal fan bases. Although over the recent few years I feel that Jones's base may have shrank while Hopkins due to his consistency, has grown.
     
  8. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Both have consistently lost fights in recent years. Jones kept going to sleep. And Hopkins kept hugging his way to uneventful decision losses.

    Either way both guys kept on losing and were anything, but consistent during the past 10 years.
     
  9. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Hopkins was taking much larger challenges facing top guys who were 15-20 years his junior, and most were world champions. He even won his fair share and even in loss didn't embarrass himself.

    Sure they were carefully picked like Shumenov, but even still, for his age it is impressive.
    Plus your false statement about Hopkins hugging his way to a win is totally false and deceitful.
    You act as if Hopkins is on the ropes he is supposed to sit there and allow his 15 years younger opponent to freely tee off and hit him repeatedly.
    That's as dumb as the previous "going out on his shield" comment.

    People who often make this comment are those who DKSAB and simply have an agenda to reduce Hopkins's accomplishments.

    There is no way in hell you can possibly compare Hopkin's loses with Jones. :-(
     
  10. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hopkins had better skills, no question, but if you want an answer as to who won the head to head rivalry, I say Jones won that.
    Jones beat Hopkins clearly when it mattered.

    The rematch is of little significance to me. What little significane I take from that rematch is to discredit Bernard Hopkins as he had to fake being hurt from a minimal blow to the back of the head to gain some rest time as to that point he had used up a lot of energy in outworking Jones that he needed the rest.
    For Hopkins to fake it like that is to spit on the integrity of the sport imo.

    Head to head? Advantage Roy Jones Jr.
     
  11. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Jones has lost to the likes of Tarver, Lebedev, Calzaghe, Johnson, etc. Hardly scrubs.

    Hopkins has been hugging his way to decision losses. He's had a ton of losses during his run of "consistency"

    They've both been doing a lot of losing lately. Which is what most over the hill fighters do.
     
  12. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    The first time Jones and Hopkins meet Hopkins was still leaning on the job and his skills had yet to develop lacking the same amateur experience Jones possessed. Contrary to casual belief, the fight wasn't evenly matched because Jones was prime and Hopkins had not yet reached his prime, but still like Wilder today, learning on the job.

    I don't believe Hopkins really began hitting his stride until 2 years later in the 2nd Mercado fight when he won the IBF title and afterwards, ran off a sequence of TKO/KO victories against Lipsey, Jackson, Johnson and others.
    Even in loss, BHOP learned a great deal from the Jones fight.

    In the Jones-Hopkins rematch, Jones did pull a lot of dirty tricks. It's funny how many distractors say that Hopkins is a dirty fighter while watching Jones do even dirtier stuff to survive in that rematch.
    and don't act as if Jones hasn't call the ref's attention to fouls in his fights either. I can remember quite a few times when Jones took 2-5 minutes after being hit low.
    Also, I haven't forgotten Jones's DQ loss to Griffin either. :lol:
     
  13. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I'm glad you brought this up and acknowledge Jones losses weren't to scrubs because Hopkins beat those same fighters, I.E., Tarver, Johnson, and IMHO, Calzaghe.
    Jones however, did clearly lose to Calzaghe, and got beat up to boot.

    The part about hugging I won't address because it is nonsense.
     
  14. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Who won the rivalry? Depends upon your criteria.

    Jones Jr for me was the better fighter in their primes. While they have a win over each other, Jones Jr's was more significant as Jones Jr was shot to hell when they rematched. Jones Jr was also seen as the bigger star during their respective careers.

    Hopkins has shown greater longevity and his resume now is more than a match for Jones Jr's and most think he now ranks higher, he's also clearly been more successful in terms of financially, while Roy is still fighting for a paycheck, Hopkins is still wealthy and fights for the joy of fighting and legacy.

    I think Hopkins will likely be remembered more highly than Jones Jr in terms of legacy and likely will have a more comfortable life after boxing which means you could say he won the rivalry but I won't deny that even with all that, Jones Jr in his day was simply the better fighter and if that's the criteria you choose to say he won the rivalry then I can't really argue against that.
     
  15. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I can live with that, and largely agree with most of it.

    :good