How do you set up your lead right?

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  1. SteelShoulders

    SteelShoulders Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well?

    Do you lure in with the jab and disrupt rhythm by throwing it? Throw it from walking in? What else?
     
  2. Flatlander

    Flatlander Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lead right would imply it was the first punch thrown in a combo. I cannot see any reason to throw a lead right unless you are a southpaw.
     
  3. SteelShoulders

    SteelShoulders Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So no orthodox fighter has ever thrown a straight right left hook?

    By lead right I mean a 'right jab' from an orthodox fighter, floyd was famous for it as is andre ward.
     
  4. Paulie walnutz

    Paulie walnutz Active Member Full Member

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    Better have fast reflexes cos the left hook is the counter.
     
  5. Flatlander

    Flatlander Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Boxers do it but it is not recommended. If you are Mayweather. Ward and Roy Jones you have the speed to get away from it. I have never met a trainer in over 40 years of training that teaches or recommends it. It is not proper technique.
     
  6. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    It was explained to me as 'stealing' the right hand, and it is more a matter of distance than reflexes. You can take a short pivot to your right, away from his right and around his leftfoot, and throw the right. The pivot cuts the distance. It is also a nice shot to use on a guy that resets a lot- steps back and shuffles his feet- but, again, you have to be able to cut distance. Time his shuffle, push off your right foot and hit him when his feet are together.
     
  7. Slavic Fighter

    Slavic Fighter Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Throwing a lead right hand is a great asset, but you have to practice it a lot. If you're used to start combos with mostly 1-2 or 1-1-2 you might depend too much on gauging the distance with the jab so when you try to throw the lead right you might not have a good enough sense of distance. I used to practice this a lot by punching the heavy bag or speed ball with the lead right, I guess this practice worked ok for me because I improved a lot.

    There are many ways to use the lead right. I've used the 2-3 combo since a was a relative beginner, one of my favourite quick combos. It often takes opponents off-guard. You throw a quick lead right (doesn't need to be powerful because you're using it for a set up) and then step in a bit, shift your weight on the left leg and throw a power left hook. You can also throw the right cross to the body and throw the left hook to the head, going straight for the body with the right hand might make the opponent lower his eyes and his guard a bit, then you deliver a left hook to the head.

    Also, you can set it up by feinting the left jab.

    Otherwise lead right hand works better against aggressive opponents who give you openings, especially at close range. 2-3-2 is a good combo for example. Practice it in shadowboxing and on the heavy bag so you can throw it with right balance, speed and power and with the right sense of distance.

    Take a look at Kovalev how he just blasts with lead right hands sometimes. I can't post links but type "Sergey Kovalev Vicious Right Hand" in Youtube and you'll see his great lead right hand against Pascal. If you see an opening why would you throw a jab first when you can throw a bomb? Or even two in this case.

    The thing is that if you constantly start everything with left hand you become way too predictable. Your opponent just needs to watch your left hand. Also, left jab can be countered by right overhand, if the opponent gets you rhythm he can counter you with a big shot after your first sloppy jab. On the other hand, when your opponent see that you're mixing things up he becomes more cautious. Once you've thrown few right hands you can also feint lead right to lure a left hook from the opponent, duck under and counter with right hook to the body/head. For example. There are millions of options in boxing, learning to use lead right hand gives you twice as much weapons.
     
  8. Slavic Fighter

    Slavic Fighter Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Trainers mostly teach you only extremely basic orthodox stuff. It's ok to teach beginners like this, you don't want people who don't know the basics to start throwing bolo punches after few months. But when you get more experienced you have to try some of the more unorthodox stuff and see what works for you after you try it out at sparring.

    If you look at the elite boxers they all have their unorthodox signature moves.

    A lot of boxers I met here who never evolved past what their coaches told them to do are extremely predictable and robotic. They might have the perfect technique, but they have big problems with anything awkward and unorthodox against people who have the skills to pull it off.
     
  9. SteelShoulders

    SteelShoulders Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thank you sir this is what I was looking for.

    In the case of Kovalev he goes into the front pivot(which feints the right) so often that his opponents get tentative and bam quick right to the face.

    I always worked off a steady diet of 4-10 jabs stepping to the left after each, then as your opponent is looking to parry or slip the jab b/c you stepped left bam lead right to the jaw.

    Never thought of practicing a real punch on the speed bag...interesting
     
  10. achillesthegreat

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    Set it up with literally anything but ultimately if the opening is there, don't set it up, just let it go! Try not to be too dictated by patterns.
     
  11. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    There is no such thing as a right jab for orthodox fighters. If you mean right cross then it is good to throw when you're moving around a lot and on the outside. It keeps your opponent off and allows you to move in another direction.
     
  12. SteelShoulders

    SteelShoulders Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sigh you know exactly what fukkin punch I'm talking about. Don't be dense. I know how to set up a right cross.
     
  13. Lartize

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    I find you have to have good dexterity in your right arm. It has to be able to work independent from the rest of your body, which can be hard to fighters who are trained to PUNCH.

    I use it as a prober that I can double and triple up on quickly
     
  14. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I don't know why you made a whole thread then. It's not a right jab. It's literally a right cross. It's just thrown fast. I doubt there's as much power behind it if it were put in a combo. FM isn't known for being a power puncher. You just throw it when your opponent is off balance or you just see an opening. Easy as that. Obviously you can't be throwing it every other punch because your opponent will time it. Its very unorthodox.
     
  15. im sparticus

    im sparticus There Ye Go. Full Member

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    I think with all the different terminology been used its getting a tad confusing.
    Leading with the backhand, as im sure you all know is the best way to describe it.