Welcome To The Wasteland: The Once Great Super Middleweight Division Is In Shambles.

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  1. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    CST i usually agree with your threads and posts all the time but not this one. There are really good fights to be made for GGG in this division but i have no faith in any of them happening. None of the top boys want to face him. The best we are guna get from the best man is the division is mandatorys like what we are getting next. Thats as good as its guna get.

    Thats why i want him to move up. He isnt guna be in any good fights in this division. Especially not Canelo. K2 have now got him to the point that after the Khan fight its face GGG at 160 or drop the belt. He will drop the belt.
     
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  2. Super Hans

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    Super Middleweight is and always has been dominated by UK based fighters largely as 12 st is the standard fighting size for most guys in the Western world with being freakishly big/ small and without adding extra muscle or draining down using the old performance enhancers.

    However Martin Murray is far from a 'chronic underachiever' he was never even suggested to be that good a prospect but he's been to Germany where he came close to beating Sturm (most scorecards had MM wining), been to Argentina and came close to beating Martinez (nearly all scorecards had him winning) and when back to Germany and almost beat Abraham (most had Murray winning) and lasted longer than anyone with Triple G.
     
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  3. drenlou

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    So what are you suggesting?:think
     
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  4. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Abraham also has controversial decision wins over Willbeforce Shihepo, Piotr Wilczewski (the judges score cards were ridiculous), and Robert Stieglitz. Wilczewski was decimated in 3 by Curtis Stevens and Stieglitz was getting worked over by Sergey Khomitsky before corruption saved his bacon. Both Stevens and Khomitsky are MWs now.

    'A left-right combination sent Stieglitz to the canvas in the end of round nine. However, the referee ruled it a slip.

    'Khomitsky was taken out of the fight at the start of round 10 while his right glove was retaped. According to WBO supervisor Beate Poeske, Khomitsky's corner took off the loose tape from Khomitsky's wrist, which was ruled as prohibited. According to Miss Poeske, Khomitsky's corner was only allowed to cover the loose tape with furthermore tape. Khomitsky was already dealing with a loose tape in the previous rounds. Miss Poeske said, that Khomitskys corner had no more tape in reserve and that there was no cutman, who could deal with the situation. So, the WBO's statement was, that Khomitsky was taken out of the fight at the beginning of round ten, because his corner was not able to retape the right glove and because Khomitskys cornerman detached the rest of the loose tape.'

    Since moving up to SMW (in 2009) Abraham (who was once regarded as one of the most fearsome KO punchers in the sport) has registered just 5 wins inside schedule. The first was against a shot Jermain Taylor who was 1-3 in his last 4, 2 of those loses coming via pretty brutal stoppage, the second was when his journeyman opponent had to pull out in the 2nd round due to a hand injury, the third against an Argentine nobody, the fourth a cut eye stoppage against journeyman Mehdi Bouadla, and the last came against old foe and Steiglitz who the previous year was very lucky to get by Khomitsky. Once feared banger Abe has scored just 3 stoppages since 2011 and he's been facing mostly low level opposition since then too.

    Murray and Stiegltz are the only two legit guys he's fought since then and I thought Murray beat him (and he certainly would have had he fought smarter IMO - and who knows how much the Golovkin hammering took out of him?) and he's 3-1 against Stieglitz, the loss via stoppage (swollen eye but he had been hurt good) and one of his wins was controversial. Murray hurt him real good too. Murray is not a banger but had him in dire trouble and holding on for dear life for a while.
     
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  5. Limerickbox

    Limerickbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I just want to say that Mad L****n should NEVER be mentioned in the same breath as Collins, Eubank, Benn, Calzaghe, Ward, Froch etc

    The man was basically a SMW Brian Nielsen.

    That is all
     
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  6. Steve_Fox

    Steve_Fox Well-Known Member Full Member

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    but its better than mw division also known as bumland
     
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  7. IKSAB

    IKSAB Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    SMW isn't a deep division but still has more world class fighters than 160. DeGale, Jack, even Bute are way above anyone GGG has beaten.
     
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  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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  9. IKSAB

    IKSAB Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Infact the SMWs listed by the OP reads like murderers row compared to Geale, Lemieux, Monroe Jr etc

    Very poorly thought out thread.
     
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  10. Limerickbox

    Limerickbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    MW is ON THE VERGE of being a good division, but needs another year for the likes of Khytrov, Quigley, Derevtenchenko,Douglas, Murata to break through.

    Even the likes of the Charlos moving up would add depth
     
    Limerickbox, Feb 13, 2016
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  11. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    The division has not been good for years in my opinion.

    The last time the division was real good you had
    undefeated WBO champ Calzaghe
    undefeated WBA champ Kessler
    undefeated IBF champ Lacy
    3 time and reigning WBC champ Beyer

    then you had so many other top SMWs and former and later to be champs and they were good times with Calzaghe in a unification with Lacy, Kessler in a unification with Beyer and the two winners meeting.

    Calzaghe as the winner moved up and the division hasnt fully recovered as Kessler who had been defeated was then considered the top SMW for a few years, he then losses when past best and suffering double vision to Ward but as a faded fighter beat undefeated Froch (which shows you how much the division had dropped from what I have wrote above), who then went and cleaned out what I felt was a weak era.
    Consider Froch was fighting old faded past best G Johnson to a Mdec to get the Ward fight. The same G Johnson who when prime lost to Sheika to get the Calzaghe fight and who was completely outboxed when prime to Ottke.

    That shows how weak it has been for years, but with Wrd being champ, America took some interest again in what was a very good division before, which many American fans probably missed out on previously

    Still I dont think it is terrible and Degale is very talented and can be in big fights in the division
     
    bailey, Feb 13, 2016
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  12. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    Chudinov was hit after the bell by Buglioni, clear foul.
     
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  13. Brixton Bomber

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    It is in a sad state at the moment (reminds me of the HW division a few years ago).

    Either GGG moves up and LHW's move down, or it picks back up in three years time.
     
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  14. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Say what you will, but even without Ward the SMW division is much deeper and richer than the presently shallow and b-level MW division.

    K2 fully understands this. They realize that the division is so weak they can just sit around and eventually all the titles will literally fall into their laps.
    Now, that's weak. :yep
     
    Uppercut_Artist, Feb 13, 2016
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  15. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I do have to agree that I think SMW is stronger than MW.
    I think people didnt realise that MW a few years back wasnt bad when Hopkins was champ
     
    bailey, Feb 13, 2016
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