Why is Roid Jones Junior Loved and Revered Considering He's Been Clipped For PEDs (?)

The sanctioning bodies have elimination bout clauses so you don't have to fight terrible mandos. He fought those guys because he wanted to

 

Rubbish.

You've ripped him in the past when he asked for elimination bouts and extensions. And what difference would it have made if the top contenders were all low class opponents? Who would have taken part in the elimination bouts? If both fighters had been on a similar level, there would have been no point. Look when he fought Ricky Frazier. Why would he have rocked the boat, when he'd got a unification with Reggie Johnson in his sights afterwards to unify?

Every fighter who's ever fought in the modern era with 3-4 organisations, have all fought terrible mandatories. It's unavoidable. You can't blame anyone for fighting mandatories. It's unfortunately part of the game.

 

He didnt even wanted to fight Tarver to begin with he or the levins on his behalf wrotte a letter to the IBF claiming that Tarver didnt deserve to be the mandatory, Tarver wasnt deserving but the likes ofKelly, Frazier,Harmon were. the guy was a joke plain and simple only male groupies who are in love with him cant see it but those guys are losers no point even addressing their re****ed asses.

 

He agreed to fight the winner.

Harding won.

He then fought him.

Then what happened, Einstein?

Oh yeah, he fought the loser THREE times!


:hi:

 

Really?

And for good reason. Tarver should not have been pushed into that elimination bout especially when Jones fought guys way below him like Brannon and Kelly and Frazier

1: HBO wanted him to vacate his belts because all his mando tended to be sub-par
2: Using elimination bout clauses would of shown that he was at least making a effort to try and only fight the better mandios

The fact that most fighters with numerous belts fight terrible mando basically enforced HBO position that he should vacate the belts

 

And that is why his relationship with HBO deterioated to the point of no return.

ps: I think Harmon was a voluntary defense . Frazier was basically voluntary as well

 

Frazier was the WBC mandatory, the others like Harmon,Kelly,Hall etc are just examples of the low quality of fighters roid was feastin on back then regardless of if they were mandatories or not, hell in my view the guys he fought that werent mandatories but were just as bad or worse than the guys that were mandatories make it even worse cause that means he handpicked those no hopers as opponents while ducking the fights that the ppl and HBO demanded like a fight with DM, no wonder some were calling for a Roycott cause they were tired of seeing reluctant Roy getting paid millions for glorified sparring sessions. The guy was a joke.

 

The interim champions title challenge takes precedence over the no 1 mando. Graciano was the interim champion at the time and he had already taken the wbc to court to get his shot

I would favour Jones over DM

The Goossens wanted to put together a lhw unification tournament. Nunn, Guthrie, Rochigianni were up for it. There was even talk that Dm wanted to get involved as well. HBO were up for up for it but only if Jones agreed to take part. He refused and it was stuff like that that led to the Roycott.

http://www.qconline.com/sports/sabb...cle_ee12b9c3-953d-514b-812d-33456a81b510.html

 

Jones has been knocked out multiple times and has never shown a Plan B in any fight he has been in. He had a carefully crafted career.

 

general zod,

Yes, really.

It was completely unrealistic.

That's fair enough. No arguments there. But he asked for it and it was granted. If Tarver had won, he'd have fought him. But Harding won. Yet he still ended up fighting Tarver anyway. He might have done it just to get under his skin. You can hardly label it as a duck, as again, we know he fought him afterwards. With hindsight, it was probably one of Roy's biggest mistakes. Because if he'd have fought Tarver in 2000 and beaten him, he probably wouldn't have been pressured into fighting him in 2003 and 2004. I know there's lots of 'ifs' there, but Roy's career could have turned out very different.

Come on now, that's absolutely ridiculous.

In what way would that have benefited him?

He already had enough trouble making big fights with his belts, so without them, he'd have found it even harder. HBO tried hard to bring Dariusz to the U.S. and they tried to help him in securing the Hopkins rematch. They publicly supported him on a few occasions, where he'd said he tried to fight the likes of Liles etc. You originally posted up those links. It's just silly. Think about logically. How many fighters would have wanted to have fought Roy with no belts up for grabs? Why would he have sat back and watched the other fighters in the division fight for titles that he'd given up? Give me a realistic scenario of how he'd have been better off. You can't.

Again, who would they have been?

I'd have to do some research. It's been too long ago to remember. But if the WBC deemed that Ricky Frazier was number 1 in their rankings, and he was the one who they deemed deserving of a shot at Roy, then who the hell was number 2 in their rankings? And the same applies to all of the other Organisations. Glen Kelly was the number 1 contender with the WBC. Who would he have fought in an eliminator? What would have been the point?

As George Foreman once amusingly said "don't hate the player, hate the game"

It wasn't Roy's fault that guys like Frazier and Kelly etc were put forward for him to fight.

It's unavoidable.

Gennady Golovkin is about to fight Dominic Wade.

Kell Brook is about to face Kevin Bizier.

If I really thought hard about it, I'm sure that I could give you a huge list of mandatories who were on the level of Frazier and Kelly, who great fighters have had to fight over the years.

Look at the WBO in the early 00's?

They moved a guy up in their rankings, AFTER HE'D DIED!

:yikes



(no disrespect intended to that fighter)

It wouldn't have made any difference. Again, trying to secure big fights without any belts, would have been even harder than trying to secure big fights with the belts.

Again, let's look at his fight in 99 against Ricky Frazier.

If he'd have refused to fight him and given up his belt, how could he have unified the division against Reggie Johnson afterwards?

It's just silly and it was unrealistic.

No fighter in Roy's position would have done that.

HBO were obviously just speaking out due to frustration.

 

Cuz he black and american. Thus, there's nothing his supporters wouldn't let him get away with. You have racist, cheating, ***ual offenders boxers, but they all get a pass, they didn't do anything.

Also ridicolous the claim that peds didn't make him Roid... of course they did. Steroids makes anyone more explosive, faster, stronger, better stamina, etc.; they also helps tremendously in going up trough divisions. All things Roid was famous for. The only thing they don't help, is the chin, and guess what was Roid's only downfall.

Roid was caught injecting some 20 times the amount of testosterone allowed by the law.

With 20 times the testosterone of an average man running in your veins, anyone, ANYONE would look good

 

Unrealistic to try and use the elimination clause to avoid some of his really bad mandos's?

He never should of asked for it in the first place.

That was because Tarver was the undisputed champion and Jones wanted his belts

I think I can rule that out seeing as how he does not have a history for doing such things

You are completely missing the point. He fought a bunch of fighters HBO and his fans did not want. He then turns around and uses the elimination clause for a mandio who on paper was a whole lot better than the guys he faced.

Not true
He wanted Tarvers belts in 2003. No one was presuuring him to fight Tarver then.

In 2004 he had no choice the WBC had rule against him and HBO would only take Hopkins or Tarver as a ppv worthy opponent

Remind me again who was paying Jones 5m per fight., the abc bodies or HBO?

According to who? What evidence do you have to prove such a claim?

How much would Jones have wanted for the Dariusz fight.? You need to know that to know how serious he was. This is the same fighter who after turning down Jirov said that 4.5m was not enough money. The most HBO could of spent on a Jones-Dariusz fight would of been around 5-5.5m

Jones was talking rubbish when he said that he offered Hopkins 6m. Where on earth was that money coming from?

They always made a point of publicy supporting him while grumbling behind closed doors. You have the Dark trade; did you just skip over page 257, which dealt wioth the aftermath of the Lucas fight?

It is not until Jones refusal to fight Jirov that HBo publicy made their frustrastions known

If he really made amazing offers to his opponents than Seth Abaraham would not be blaming him for not making any effort to make the best fights at smw

Did HBO applaud Barerra for keeping his belt of vacating it?

They were sick of the abc organisations. Having a belt does not mean much in this day and age which is why they wanted him to vacate the belts.

The reason why fighters take high risk fights is for money. As long as he could offer them big money then the matter of belts is pretty much irrelevant.

Dawson vacated his belts to fight Tarver and later Johnson II
Tarver and Johnson vacated their belts to have thiir rematch
Mosley vacated his belt to fight Margarito
There were no belts on the line for either of the Williams-Martinez fights

He should have used them against Hall, Thornton, Brannon and Kelly for starters

 

This clown continues to bury himself I love it

 

Frazier was the WBC mandatory.

I suppose that was Roy's fault?

Did Roy control all of the rankings?

HBO tried to make the Dariusz fight.

You seriously think Dariusz wanted it?

What happened after Roy couldn't get the fight? He tried to fight Hopkins in a rematch. And when Hopkins turned it down, Roy then fought Ruiz and Tarver.

Now what did Dariusz do during that time? He fought guys who Roy had already hammered, as well as fighting guys like Lakatos etc.

Dariusz didn't have any big fights around then. He was just happy to milk the WBO in Germany.

You've got to be an absolute fool to believe that Dariusz wanted to fight Roy.

 

He won't even reply back to me anymore.