Expert opinions on Frazier vs Tyson

A repeat of the marvis frazier fight

 

I'm sorry but let's not pretend Foreman beat Frazier due to his height or reach. He beat him because Foreman (and his corner) saw the opening that Frazier had to an uppercut. You can hear Archie Moore screaming "underneath" from Foreman's corner. It's Frazier's one true weakness stemming from his bobbing, bending at the waist style. Tyson had a great uppercut, with great power off the hook to the body, THe only question is how many can Frazier take before the fight gets stopped. My answer is not enough. Tyson TKO-4.

 

More often than not?

He lost to two men only. Two consensus top 10 Heavyweights and only one of whom ever floored him, that being arguably the most powerful heavyweight ever and even he couldn't keep him down.

All this and he was a small heavyweight who fought in the most gruelling style imaginable and who absorbed and distributed an enormous amount of punishment.

You make it sound like Frazier was an easily beaten, glass jawed bum instead of the elite fighting machine that he truly was.

Ridiculous post by you.

 

The most powerful heavyweight kept him down pretty perfectly, everytime he got up he went back down just as quickly and easily.

Contrast with an absolute shot Tyson who kept taking punch after punch, upper cut after upper cut to the face for almost 9 rounds but stayed on his feet against a murderous puncher like lenni.

 

Easy to think so since 90's Foreman is more recent. But there's no way old Foreman was a harder puncher. Young Foreman took Frazier out in 2 rounds.

 

Prime Tyson got ktfo by an average puncher in Douglas and got beaten senseless and stopped by a Holyfield (who was no puncher) who hadn't scored a legit stoppage in 5 years as a counter point.

Frazier absorbed some hellacious punishment from Ali with nary a backwards step in for 41 rounds. He's no fragile lightweight contrary to what lazy revisionist history would have you.

 

Joe's lack of height and bobbing style could pose a few early issues for Tyson potentially since Tyson generally trained and fought against tall heavies. He could time their shots by coming under them and countering with vicious punches. Fighting someone no taller than himself, and a guy who ducked down real low, may cause Tyson to miss far more often than he'd like.

The problem for Joe though is that I think he chin was okay but not iron, and that Tyson had a huge uppercut that is bound to land.
Joe was a good puncher but he is going to have to try and wear Tyson down, and he doesn't have the defensive nous or ruggedness to escape being hammered by big shots. Unless you're George Foreman, coming straight at Tyson is generally a bad idea.

No, ultimately Tyson has too many tools, is too quick and hits too hard for Joe. He might even have the better hook.

I Think Tyson before the 4th round.

 

Yes, but like l said he was throwing combos. It's certainly possible a 30-40lb heavier Foreman using the same technique in the 90's as he used in the 70's could land harder but fewer single punches. I don't see any evidence that he lost power as he aged unless you want go point to his fight with Alex Stewart as some kind of proof. But the Moore punch dispells this in my mind.

 

Me too! Mike Bruce and Bonavena aren't dropping Tyson.

 

Get banned

 

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