besides Pacquiao who went up in weight successfully without roids or EPO?

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Saying he just didn't caught is a lot more logical than flat out saying he cheated. Because there is an absence of circumstantial evidence.

    Even in the ring though he showed no signs of PED's. No back ance. His power decreased as he moved up weights. His workrate slowed as he aged.

    There's just no damning evidence to say he was drugs.
     
  2. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    He had Back acne for the Floyd fight!:deal
     
  3. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agreed. There isn't a lot of evidence on Pacquiao.
     
  4. prelude

    prelude Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Does tiny manhood count. I'm sure PAC is not as packed as some of the guys here. Floyd is Black and according the Biber leaked photo, even Asian men are giving Floyd a run for his money. That's what peds does to guys on roids, give them a baby pecker like Floyd.
     
  5. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    Okay. Yeah but still . . .



    :lol:
     
  6. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    On the one hand I believe that Hopkins is a natural light heavyweight who kept his weight abnormally low for years. It shouldn't have taken anything to bring him back up to light heavyweight if he just ate and exercised normally.

    On the other hand, he had to be juicing all through his forties to perform at that level, which means his entire light heavyweight career is suspect, barring the first fight in 1988.
     
  7. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I'm a big Manny Pacquiao fan but I'm pretty sure he was on peds from probably 2000-2009. I think he stopped juicing around the time he became a senator or when Mayweather accused him. He didn't look the same after that, stopped knocking people out, and started losing a few.
     
  8. Super Hans

    Super Hans The Super One™ banned

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    He refused to take the test. Clear drug cheat.
     
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  10. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree that he boiled down as much as humanely possible to make 160. This is a guy who didn't touch a donut, pasta, alcohol, candy, etc. for decades upon decades.

    He went to 175 because his body could no longer take the abuse of cutting to an unnatural weight for him. I remember when he went to 175 he said "I can finally eat pasta".

    I'm not so sure that was was juicing though at 175. He doesn't have any KO's at 175. He lost almost all his biggest fights at 175. His workrate was vastly lower at 175. So there was dropoff in his performance.
     
  11. Pinkman

    Pinkman Guest

    You're joking, right? That is the one fight we could say for certain that Pac wasn't juicing. Ironically, it's the one fight we could say for certain that Floyd was.

    :lol::lol::rofl:patsch

    Dude had random pimples here and there. It weren't like 5 different galaxies and massive boils like Roidquez.

    :lol::lol::rofl:patsch
     
  12. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    True, but could it have some to do with him fighting at 147 and him not being big enough to fight there at optimal performance?

    Also plenty of fighters in recent history have had dropoffs as soon as they hit their 30s. Especially those who have been in many wars by the time they were 30 years old.
     
  13. Pinkman

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    You could say that Pac EASILY deserved TKO victories over Margarito and Algieri. Pac was overly cautious w/ Rios, but I think he could have taken him out if he kept his foot on the pedal. So it could have been 3 KOs since 2009.

    Bradley is un-KO-able... dude was OUT ON HIS FEET against Ruslan in the first round and then OUT ON HIS FEET again in the 12th.

    Clottey didn't engage and hid behind a rock solid, turtle shell D.

    Pac was on his way to stopping Roidquez. He had broken Roidquez's face.

    Floyd was hurt by Pac and fought the most cautious fight of his career. What Floyd said about Pac's power has been consistent since day one --- Pac's not heavy handed, it's the "snap" combined w/ the angles. NO ONE has ever said that Pac has creepy power. They've all attributed it to speed/angles.
     
  14. drenlou

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    All the prior Toxins came out of his body during the testing...... That's why he had Bacne...
     
  15. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Give me some evidence that's a little more definitive or shut the **** up.