Johnson reneged on agreement to fight Langford

Dis u mean Sam ducking Jack... I like it!
1-Johnson reneged on his fight with Sam, not much doubt.
2-Why? in 1909-10 almost certainty money-Sam probably awsn't mental threat to Jack at that time.
Looks dodgy now, maybe dodgy now but anybody that ever put a boxing promotion together knows it happens.

 

No this is his ex- manager speaking .Notice the difference
Do you want me to re-post William Brady's opinion of Jim Jeffries the piece where he calls him mortally afraid of Jack Johnson? You remember the piece you dismissed as sour grapes because he was no longer Jeffries manager?

You want to talk about boxers not honouring their word?
Shall I post the piece about Jeffries reneging on his betting losses and Tex Rickard negotiating a deal to get them dropped so Jeffries could box in that state?

N.B .You should refrain from using the word TRUTH until you get better acquainted with it

 

Exactly!
Bottom line Bettinson had the destitute Johnson over a barrel so he offered a miserly figure Johnson accepted , but once he was champ his value went sky high, no longer in a position to be dictated to, he told the autocratic, martinet Bettinson to go do one.
He did offer to fight Langford at the NSC for $30,000. Bettinson told him to go **** down his leg.

 

Johnson actions here should not surprise.

At what point would Johnson risk his title vs. Langford, Jeannette, or McVey?

$50,000, $80,000, $100,000 or more? I have seen press titles with name promoters throwing around these numbers yet we never saw the title fights.

Every man, however, has his price. What would you guess Johnson's amount to be to get in the ring with Langford from 1909-1914?

 

Johnson twice signed to fight Jeannette in the US, the authorities vetoed both fights.
Johnson signed to fight Langford in the US ,but Woodman could not come up with the do re mi.
Johnson agreed to a 3 fight series in Australia with Langford and McVey but that fell through when Johnson skipped the US and McIntosh withdrew his offer.
You really should do some research,can't you get someone to read the old newspapers for you?

Everyman does not have his price.Jeffries categorically stated he would not defend his title against Johnson for all the tea in China!
Your corner really should stop this ,you're getting murdered here!:bbb:-(

 

What an inconvenient truth it must be that Johnson avoided the 3-4 best contenders and champion. He always has an excuse in your book

The money was up for Johnson more than once. You must also think Dempsey offered a fight to Wills and JD would have made it happen if not for a 2-1 vote by the NY state commission. Sure, just move the fight elsewhere.

I'll end with a historical quote for clarity.

 

Ive never seen anything even remotely compelling that Johnson outright avoided and/or feared Langford, Jeanette, and McVey. He fought and beat all of them. In something like 11 fights with those three fighters he lost once on a controversial DQ and might have had a ND draw against Jeanette. I haven't seen anything stylistically or otherwise to suggest Johnson would have had any less success against those guys as champion. I have footage of him past his prime sparring with McVea who either in his prime or just starting to slide and Johnson toys with him exactly like he did everyone else. He slaughtered Langford when they met and while Langford may have grown and improved Johnson did as well and likely by about the same margin as Sam so the same disadvantages would have still been there for Sam. Jeanette based solely on style, size, and durability may have been the toughest proposition for Johnson but Johnson beat Jeanette more than any of those other guys and Jeanette would have had to have fought more aggressively against Johnson than he did against Langford in 1913 to win the title which pretty much eliminates any stylistic problems he would have caused Johnson. I don't know. This topic pops up every now and again but I just don't see it. Ive criticized Dempsey for pricing himself out of a Wills fight when he couldn't find any other excuses but you don't really see that with Johnson here. He basically named his price and it was pretty consistent and if you could come up with it you got the fight.

 

When was Jeannette ever a friend of Johnson's?

Provide one positive quote about Johnson from Jeannette's lips.
Johnson gave his services free to spar with Jeannette for War Bonds.Jeannette demanded to be paid saying leaving his garage and chauffeuring business would cost him money!
You don't avoid challengers if you sign to fight them and the authorities veto the fights as they did when the McMahon brothers signed both Johnson and Jeannette twice.
You don't avoid a challenger,[ Langford,]if you name your price $30,000 and your opponents manager can't come up with the money.You aren't sidestepping opponents,[Langford and McVey,] if you agree to fight them and the promoter pulls out.

Johnson also offered to fight McCarty in Canada for promoter Tommy Burns, Burns refused the match. That's 4 of his challengers that as champion he didn't fight through no fault of his own.
On the basis of how he did against Jeannette, whom he beat multiple times ,and floored multiple times in doing so,McVey whom he thrashed 3 times stopping him in their last fight,and Langford, whom he crucified , breaking his nose and flooring him twice for long counts.Why would Johnson not fight them had they 1.Come up with money 2,The authorities allowed it 3.The promoter not pulled out??????