Salvador "Chava" Sanchez Vs. Vasyl "Hi-Tech" Lomachenko: Who Wins and How (?)

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  1. El Chicano

    El Chicano Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Cmon man

    I like Loma, but he lost to Salido.
     
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  2. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    Chava was a former brawler with power, Mexican style, but later adopted the American boxer/puncher style plus some of the best footwork south of Ali. The better his opponent was, the better Sanchez shined. Gomez was his most significant win, but Nelson, as green as some say he was, really wasn't all that green, being African champ and would of beaten most 126lbers of any era. Loma gives him a tough fight, but Chava gets him in the 2nd half and has Loma in trouble late in the fight. Chava fought equally great inside and out, Loma is still pretty weak on the inside. Not sure if he can take Chava's power either. Sanchez had some of the greatest stamina of any fighter his power wasn't like Arguello's, but he'd still hurt you. Either a late tko or decision for Sanchez. He was Barrera, Morales, and Marquez rolled into 1.
     
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  3. ElCyclon

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    What a great way to describe Sanchez.

    A couple of minor points to bear in mind: Chava was the only fighter to stop the Professor and his ATG status was sealed at merely 24 years old(as far as I know, the youngest ever to achieve this).
     
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  4. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Impressive as Hopkins (Lineal 160) TKO Felix Trinidad (Undefeated 154/147 Lineal Champion)

    Wilfredo Gomez was impressive/undefeated at 122, but at 126 he was short/small & all his losses occurred north of 122 (all 3 losses by KO)

    I know ATG Salvador, didn't doubt his credntials & voted for him to beat Loma, just not by KO that was my comment :smoke
     
  5. drenlou

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    Loma wouldn't knocking out chava.....No way!:deal
     
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  6. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    This is a good post.

    However this is a winnable fight for Lomachenko. Salvador, a brilliant boxer-puncher who is VERY SRR-esque, and a truly great counterpuncher, needs space.
    People think that just because Sanchez went to war with Gomez, he's some sort of aggressive juggernaut. That simply isn't the case. Gomez was his own worst enemy that fight. Gomez is a very aggressive fighter, whenever he backed Salvador to the ropes, Salvador still created space for himself and Gomez was in hunter-mode stayed on the inside being far too linear, Sanchez was thus able to counter Wilfredo on the inside well and wear Gomez down.

    Lomachenko does the exact things one has to do to beat Salvador.
    Loma doesn't make himself a target. He doesn't stay on the inside for long, and is one of the very best pure boxers in history - this is bad news for Sanchez.
    YET, Sanchez is so incredibly elusive on the inside, Lomachenko won't be scoring many combinations.

    Also, Lomachenko's flaws are very apparent - his inability at fighting well enough on the back foot. The distinctive feature of Salvador was that he was one of the most complete fighters in history. This is where your Marquez parallel comes in, a shrewd combination puncher - and Salvador executed this brilliantly on the inside. Salvador would point-score by taking the fight at different moments to the inside with a quick barrage of body punches (earning some points on effective aggression). This very aspect will prevent Lomachenko from being able to outscore his opponent to the extent he loves to - and will certainly be inflicted on Lomachenko as Salvador figures out Lomachenko is not extremely effective on the back foot. Nonetheless, Sanchez loves to head-hunt which is a terrible idea vs Lomachenko, and it will still be tough to read Loma because of the variations he has to each attack, and how effective of a programmer he is against someone who has to create space for himself - Loma is one of the very, very best in history.

    Another reservation about Lomachenko that accentuates the strategy of Salvador that I've mentioned is that it is uncertain whether Lomachenko has truly adjusted his scientific method of pointscoring to the professional ranks, because he certainly hadn't sufficiently enough during the Russell Jr fight.


    All in all, I think it turns out to be a very even fight.
    Lomachenko certainly would have an easier fight against Mayweather.
     
  7. Enigmadanks

    Enigmadanks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ^^^Most of what you posted is drivel. Nothing new though, you have a very inflated sense of intelligence and you just make things up as you see fit. It's evident in all of your drivel-ridden posts.

    Salvador Sanchez fights nothing in the manner of Ray Robinson. So how you compare those 2 guys is beyond me. Ray fought in a very unique and esoteric style that was all his own. There hasn't been a fighter that's emulated his style since he's been around, plain and simple.

    Also, Loma wouldn't have an easier time with Mayweather. Whatever nonsensical garbage that is. We get it, you're not a fan of Floyd, but to assume Loma would have an "easy" time with him is probably one of the more hyperbolic things you've ever said on here (that says a lot given your screen name and your self anointed Poster of the year title you weird little man.)

    Just to let you know, because it doesn't seem like you know much about boxing, but Loma who is actually a fighter I quite like, does nothing better in the ring compared to a prime FLoyd Mayweather. Not one thing. He's smaller, has a considerable reach disadvantage, slower handspeed, not as fleet or crisp with his footwork, doesn't hold the same punch placement or accuracy, is exponentially slower altogether compare to a prime Maywether Jr, doesn't hold a candle to Jr's reflexes, isn't half the defensive fighter he is, and surprisingly isn't a bigger puncher than a 130 lb FLoyd.

    We are talking about the same Vasyly that lost to Salido, right? So all of a sudden he can go up in weight and take on the greatest 130 lb fighter who ever lived and have an "easy" time with him? Mayweather would absolutely school the guy. There's nothing to even argue here; I don't see a single attribute in Loma's style that would make me think he'd have a snowball's chance in hell beating a prime Mayweather.

    Just ridiculous talk. Glad to see you took some time out from your obsession with Khan though to speak about another boxer. That's one diminutive step in the right direction you weird, weird little man.
     
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  8. Beatle

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    Talent-wise, Sanchez is the best featherweight of all time. His resume doesn't show it because he died young, but watch his fights and you'll see some insane talent.

    Loma has awesome talent but Sanchez hit harder and had 15-round stamina. Loma was tired after 12 rounds with that journeyman he lost to.

    Watch this exciting 15th-round KO of ATG Azumah Nelson:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAgkzIOjr-w
     
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  9. GolovKing

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    TKO's are KO's. Sanchez provided his fair share of TKO's.

    This is a silly comparison, Loma vs Chava.

    Sanchez TKO11 Loma
     
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  10. scarecrow

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    Pacquiao at 24 was a 3 divison lineal chakp. With knockouts over prime versions of Sasakul, Ledwaba and Barrera. That's ATG.
     
  11. MartyMaar

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    I see it ending in BRUTAL fashion. Something like what he did to Wilfredo Gomez.
     
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  12. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    :lol: All I see is absolutely nothing of substance, a whole load of tears, and you using your tears to jack Mayweather off.

    Again, you prove you're completely ignorant of boxing. Just stop posting. Sit and learn.

    In one post, you have demonstrated:
    1. Ignorance of Salvador Sanchez
    2. Ignorance of Sugar Ray Robinson
    3. Ignorance of the concept that styles make fights
    4. Ignorance of how Salido got the 'win'
    5. Ignorance of Vasyl Lomachenko
    6. Ignorance of your lover boy, Duck Runhugger Jr.
     
  13. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Salvador Sanchez is not a large, aggressive, pressure fighter, that he could do such a thing with any real success.

    Lomachenko 'lost' to Salido on the basis of 40 low blows (there's a count on youtube), most of which set up clean shots, or contributed to Salido winning points on 'effective aggression'. Salido scored 110 shots, over '80' being 'body shots'. Woeful fight against a Lomachenko who didn't believe in complaining to the referee, spending half of his time protecting his ***** and the other half being too conservative to throw anything because Loma is trying to go 12 rounds for the first time.

    I pick Salvador (one of my favourite fighters ever) against the Lomachenko who fought Salido and Russell Jr in a very close fight.
    But a Lomachenko who has adjusted his scientific method of pointscoring across championship rounds? Lomachenko is my slight favourite there.

    Stylistically, it certainly favours Lomachenko and disadvantages Salvador.
     
  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    That chap drinks Floyd's sperm straight from the source. And I'm sure if you gave him a knife and fork he'd eagerly tuck into one of Floyd's turds too. :yep
     
  15. GolovKing

    GolovKing ESB Since 2006 Full Member

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    No, that is not. That streak allowed Pac to be mentioned in a pound for pound sense. To be an all time great, one must be at the top of the fight game for at least a few years at that level, in my opinion.