Carlos Monzon vs Sugar Ray Leonard

It's why I don't bother with too many of the Leonard threads on here. It's like he's slept with everyone's girlfriend on here or something.

I think Monzon would be too strong and would win by UD. But I hardly think Ray would be dismantled.

 

And I have no problem with that opinion, as one poster earlier said, if the fight were 15 rds, he could see Monzon winning the fight. Though my thoughts are prime Leonard would be able to keep Monzon off balance with his speed, and win a close or majority dec. As long as he didn't go into Montreal Duran mode, trying to get the knock out. He would be fine. But to see a grown man sit on his butt and say Leonard would have no chance. Or Hagler was a 4 rd fighter when Leonard fought him. Just some of the most idiotic nonsense I've ever heard.

 

Looks like the Classic Forums main man is still here!!!!

Red, keen to get your expert opinion on these matches featuring the two protagonists -

Monzon vs Tony Ayala (just before the first prison stint)
Monzon vs Frank "The Animal" Fletcher
SRL vs Marlon Starling (Peak Starling, not the Clarice version)
SRL vs Mark Breland

 

If Carlos Monzon was at his best around 1980/1981/1982 ... and was dropped in with the likes of Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns and Marvin Hagler ... I'd wager that Leonard, Hagler and even Hearns ALL beat Carlos.

At that time, Leonard, Hearns and Hagler were incredibly fast and strong and skilled ... they could all change their styles depending on the opponent ... and none of them were on their last legs. On top of that, Leonard and Hearns showed later they were even strong enough to knock out light heavys.

Monzon racked up a lot of defenses. But he didn't have many dimensions to him. He was like a slightly stronger middleweight version of Virgil Hill.

Holding the record for defenses kept Monzon relevant probably longer than he should've been, if we're being honest.

I think a lot of middleweights in history would've spanked Monzon.

 

Hey John, don't tell me you're not happy to see your old sparring partner!

 

what's up John? yes, I'm still around

Guess who I visited over the summer?

Guess!

none other than LAPDX

He was visiting LA for a week and I went down to see him and discuss some things

Monzon vs Ayala. Carlos could have a rough time of it here. Those ribs of his are an inviting target ad you know how Tony loves ribs

Monzon vs Animal: Animal would def gain ground early as he is a fast starter while Monzon is a control freak. The grab and hold style of Carlos could frustrate Animal down the stretch. couldnt really pick a winner here. Pick 'em


Sugar Vs Breland,, this is one Sugar could definitely win by tko as Mark's head is too much of an inviting target Sugar in eight

and vs Starling, Marlon wasn't much on offense so he's not much a threat to Sugar and Sugar loves fighters with low output offense like Marlon. he couldn't beat 12-0 Curry with a flu so he probably won't beat Sugar

 

Hagler had a lot tougher and lengthier career than Leonard. whereas Sugar faced one big puncher at the time (weight drained Hearns) Hagler faced no less than seven

Simply put, everything Leonard does, Hagler does better

as for Norris, the loss has to be counted as Leonard was heavily favored. the reason he lost is simply due to the redrooster rule which is; the faster the opponent, the worse Leonard does in a fight while the inverse also applies (the slower the opponent, the more Sugar shines)

he just couldnt handle slick boxers

the Camacho fight counts also. Even though Leonard was much the biger of the two (Hector looked like a midget next to him) Hector had much the stronger chin. He also had more INSIDE (where it counts)

Simply put, outside of Norris, Ray never faced anyone with Hector's speed. That speed plus his newfound aggression, were the final nail in Leonard's coffin and by round five, Leonard gave up the ghost, groaning from his mortal wounds

Hagler would have finished him quickly as hector or even sooner if there were anything left of him

It's past my bedtime so goodnight

 

no bias here, only facts. The Hagler KD is bogus so I have no idea why you would bring up Roldan if you yourself know it's a bogus KD

Why do you do things like that?

Dejejus was world class. Are you not aware Esteban was champ himself?

Have you no knowledge of the sport???

How isd it you draw parallels between Dejesus and Howard? :rofl

Robinson was dropped only by the best (_Graziano) and should never be compared with Leonard with a miniscule 36-3-1 record

so cherrypicking is not necessary here

and the fact is Howard really had no business being in the ring with Leonard let alone flooring him, let alone sending him back to retirement

Sugar Ray Robinson wouldnt have retired on the spot the way Leonard did, I can tell you that for sure

When you are a SRL fan, I suppose it is necessary to lower your standards and rush to his defense the way you have

no hard feelings okay?

 

This comment is the biggest Croquette of **** i ever have seen

 

Why do you ignore my point? You said that i did not mention the chin at advantage of Carlos. AND I MENTIONED THE CHIN.And monzón WAS very AGGRESIVE in the moment that he had to be

 

:d

 

LAPDX goes ok for sure. Many a chat with him in here.

I reckon you could see "El Torito" stopping him late after killing his body, yes?

The Animals (brutal) southpaw attack could trouble Carlos? Monzon would never have come across a style anything like Frank!

Thought you may have favoured both over Leonard.

 

Carlos all the way.

 

At best leonard could be a decent sparring partner for Carlos when he is tired lol

 

yes, he loves LA and expressed an interest in returning in the near future.

Me? I prefer the lovely Alps of Austria

If Tony gets inside quickly, and he should, anything can happen and at some point can resemble Ayala - Epps. I always like the chances of hunger and youth over the more polished, experienced pros

as for Fletcher, let's not underestimate the ferocity of the Animal. He would undoubdtedly provide king Carlos a much more severe test than the likes of Griffith

Leonard would have little problems over Starling or Breland, breland who just didnt have the strength to compete outside of the amateurs

A nice fellow with a nice long reach but no inside game. This is one Leonard can win