Carlos Monzon vs Sugar Ray Leonard

Leonard was so quick and so technically competent it's tough to see how Carlos keeps up with him. Leonard could hit also. There is no defense against speed. Leonard wins this one by U decision.

 

The problem with picking Leonard is that although he was a welterweight and p4p all time great, he simply did not get tested enough at middlweight other than an impressive win over an aging Hagler. There were a lot of quality fighters out there in middleweight in the late 80's like McCullum and Julian Jackson, Graham etc but Ray moved up. IMO middleweight was ideal weight for him at that stage of his career and he should have stayed there. (though the win over LoLande was excellent).

 

Monzon UD.

 

No MW in history has an easy time with a prime Monzon and anyone that thinks otherwise if frankly an idiot.

 

I'm still going to push you for a number Red

 

If Tony got inside fast it would be curtains for anyone i reckon. The way El Torito handled the sheer class of Epps would have to give us a great insight into how an Ayala - Monzon stouch might go.

As for Fletcher, Hagler could have been quite fortunate that Roldan knocked The Animal clean out of the ring and left him face first unconscious on the canvas for about 20 seconds. If Fletcher got fully wound up vs Marvin it might have been anyones match? How would you see that one?

 

I seldom pick an ATG from a lower class to beat an absolute king of a higher division. Leonard of course did this, but both he and the said king were past their primes and the outcome indecisive.. I have to favor Monzon..

 

Well Eddie, theirs your answer, ducked your question back on Camacho. I have a easier question Red, who is are was your favorite fighter?

 

For Leonard to somehow outpoint Monzon over fifteen rounds he is going to have to pull the mother of all rabbits out of the hat. I just can't picture it. Successful moments, sure, but Monzon's steady, inevitable style of 'boxing meets bullying' is going to haunt Ray. Speed is not enough against range and timing. This fight would be a showcase for Monzon's ring IQ, he would loop them to the body and when Leonard inevitably had to take a break he would get clobbered with rabbit punches.

It may start hopeful but it ends ugly.

 

Wrong again. It just means the lies and bullsh&t spewed out by the moronic Leonard fanboys ( suggesting Monzon was slow for starters ) should be treated with the contempt they and their stupid opinions deserve.:hi:

 

Suffice to say I would take even Charles Manson's observations over yours every day of the week and twice on Sunday's.

 

Because it was a lot nearer 83 than it was 87 when Leonard first started mouthing off from ringside at Hagler fights, at press conferences, and in the media, about fighting Hagler. But he always found an excuse until he was sure Hagler was nothing like his former self. Hence April 87.

 

Why do Leonard fanboys persist with this cr*p when they know he had it written in the contract Lalonde could only weigh a max 167 in their L/Heavy fight?

 

Ray still has to get past that jab. Jab. Jab. Jab. Right hand. Jab. Jab. Jab. Jab. Feint with the right. Jab. Jab.

Monzon can " zone him " and use his superior size. Ray was behind Hearns until Dundee told him you're blowing it. In other words Ray learned he can't out box Hearns he's too long, make it a fight.

Sure, but he's not hurring Mozon as easily!

I think Hill was faster than Monzon to be honest and agree Monzon was king at a time when welters moving up were the best at 160 in many cases.