Andre Ward vs Sullivan Barrera - Video Preview & Prediction

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  1. Rumsfeld

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  2. CST80

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    Good assessment Rummy.:good

    In spite of my incessant jabs at Ward being boring and rooting against him, I still happen to think he's one of the most skilled fighters in the sport, and prefer watching him to Floyd Mayweather, and overall think he's better.

    Your prediction could very well be spot on, but I'm one of the people that thinks Paul Smith's lucky shot that wobbled Ward was a harbinger of things to come at LHW, Paul Smith is nowhere near as accurate, has nowhere near the variety of punches in his arsenal or as heavy handed as Barrera, who I've been hyping since long before this fight was signed. So Ward probably will be successful to a certain extent at taking his jab away, and at that point I think Barrera will turn it into a dogfight, work Ward's body constantly and use his natural physical advantages to great effect and rough up Andre worse than anyone has before. Its much harder to tie up guys as big as Barrera and that will play a factor. He'll pound him landing shots any and everywhere eventually leading to a late stoppage, either at the ref or Hunter's hands.

    No one has gone past 8 rounds with Barrera, the only matches he's had that didn't end in KO's were 4 and 6 rounders, so his KO percentage is somewhat deceptive. He's an accumulation puncher, and his opponents start wearing down around round 5 or 6 and they're gone by 7 or 8. That could very well be Ward's fate as well, only a little later since Ward is far more defensively responsible than anyone Barrera has fought in the past.

    But maybe I don't know **** about boxing either.:D

    My prediction Barrera Wins by RTD before or after the 10th.:deal
     
  3. eltirado

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    Very risky fight, extremely hard to take sides, because both fighters have everything to lose in this fight. For the sake of a super fight with Kovalev, Andre Ward wins & Barrera makes a name for himself in this fight.
     
  4. Robney

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    I like your prediction on this one Rummy.

    I think Barrera is the hardest opponent Ward has faced in years -since the Super 6 actually- and I also believe Ward finds a way to neutralise Barrera's jab, but expect him to do it staying close, constantly on Barrera's chest (Allan Green style).

    It won't be pretty, but effective and I agree with your 8 to 4 / 9 to 3 type UD prediction.
     
  5. theanatolian

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    I agree with the prediction as well Rummy. :thumbsup

    I think Barrera is gonna give Ward problems for the first two or three rounds, will try to bully him and push him around the ring, use his strength advantage(although he may not neccessarily be the much stronger guy). But then Ward will figure him out after first couple of rounds and win have his way for the rest of the fight.
     
  6. Rumsfeld

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    Well, I guess we'll find out which one of us who DKSAB knows just a touch more than the other.

    :lol::good

    I was serious in saying that, the first half of 2016, this is the fight I'm most interested in seeing that's scheduled so far (at least that I'm aware of, that's scheduled).

    Can't wait!

    :smoke
     
  7. Rumsfeld

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    Thanks Robney. And yeah, I definitely think Ward staying close, Green style is one way that Ward will use in attempting to neutralize the jab. But I think there are a few other things he can do in conjunction with that, which could make it tricky for Barrera. I think he will play the game of varying ranges, where he often winds up close-up tight, but where he's sometimes side stepping from the outside, with lunging attacks and the occasional firing from outside when he can turn Barrera out of position.

    What interests me most, as far as my prediction goes, is whether Ward has the speed advantage of hand and foot that I believe he has going into this. If I'm right, and Ward does have a clear advantage in these areas, I do think Ward may do a number on Barrera.

    But Barrera reminds me of Golota (prime) in the sense that I think he has deceptively quick hands. He's also good at varying the speed, angle, and power on his delivery. So I concede that gap in that area could be closer than I'm anticipating.

    It certainly was when I made my Floyd-Pac prediction!

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  8. Rumsfeld

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    Thanks! :thumbsup

    And yeah, the first few rounds should be interesting.

    I remember after the Bika fight, when asked about the major adjustments he made in that one, Ward admitted that it took him around 6 or so rounds to adjust to Bika, and in my mind, Bika gave Ward the toughest fight he had since the start of the Super 6.

    In some way Bika may have been a bit trickier to figure out, but I still think Barrera is probably more talented than Bika, and certainly bigger.

    Will be interesting to see what approaches Ward uses, and what adjustments and counter adjustments he needs to make during the course of this one.

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  9. CST80

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    :yep

    It's up there for me as well. I find this match utterly fascinating and I'm pumped as hell about it.

    A few others I'm looking forward to with almost equal anticipation.
    AJ/Martin
    Wilder/Povetkin
    Algieri/Spence
    Porter/Thurman
    God I hope Cotto/Provo happens.:yep
    Gvozdyk/Mohammedi
    Frampton/Quigg

    And yes even Canelo/Khan
     
  10. eltirado

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    Barrera is the hardest opponent Ward has faced in his life, mainly to the size advantage. He will be facing a full-fledged Light Heavyweight, in the tourney some of these guys were Middleweights & we just let it be :think

    Andre Ward maintained a size/speed advantage possibly as far as the amateurs, moving to 175 was a necessary poison, because making weight at his age was no longer easy & his style requires him to be in top shape for 12 rounds, so he can't over-drain
     
  11. Rumsfeld

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    How many from that list are officially scheduled?
     
  12. Rumsfeld

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    I know this is a common talking point these days, and it may well be true.

    But I, for one, remain unconvinced that Ward could no longer have made 175. That will likely change, and is changing now, as he's now decided to dive in to 175 with both feet.

    However, if someone like Golovkin had ever expressed an eagerness to move up and challenge himself, I imagine Ward would have hung around 168, and I don't think he'd have had too many problems doing that, based on some interviews I'd heard at the time involving Virgil.

    And additionally, for what it's worth, I was under the impression that Ward was frequently outweighed by as much as 10 pounds during some of the later spells of his amateur career.
     
  13. CST80

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    All of them except for Cotto/Provo and Wilder/Povetkin
     
  14. CST80

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    Another one I forgot about, if its made official, its still up in the air. Glowacki Vs. Cunningham.
     
  15. eltirado

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    Against GGG at any weight he will have a good size advantage to neutralize GGG even if he had to drain & show up at 80%. The size advantage loss at 175 is too big to just give up, unless he started feeling making 168 is becoming a problem.