Povtkin has not proved anything since Wlad treated him like a c- class fighter

Beating lower level fighters convincingly and having a close fight with a "class fighter", as you put it, seems to me is exactly something that would classify them as a class fighter.

 

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True dat.

That lucky punch he landed against Perez didn't prove anything.

He won't be so lucky against the Bronze Bomber. Instead we'll see how tough HIS steroided chin is.

 

His fight with Wlad was not exactly close. He never troubled him at all.

As for his last four opponents, I think there is definitely room for argument how good they actually are. No doubt Charr was a can. Takam's best win was washed up Tony Thompson, who was really overrated even in his prime. Perez did not show up for his fight with Povetkin, he looked beaten before he entered the ring. And given Jennings a good run may be his best claim to fame. That might have been Jennings' worst fight. Wach is another one who has really beaten no one.

Relatively impressive little run, but certainly nothing that hands him a win over Wilder.

 

Well, it's almost certainly better than Wilder's title run.

If Charr is undoubtedly a can, then we could say that Duhaupas is a can as well, since he won a close MD over Charr, and lost to both Pianeta and Erkan Teper.

Molina is universally regarded as worse opponent than Duhaupas (and the worst opponent in Wilder's reign), so it's safe to conclude that he ranks even lower.

Artur Szpilka has no notable fight, other than a knockout loss to Jennings, and maybe a victory over ancient Adamek. I assume that he would rank above Molina, maybe around Duhaupas level, but that's about it.

Stiverne had a belt at the time, but that isn't saying much about quality since he won it by beating a journeyman Arreola, who even managed to outbox Stiverne at times and win rounds. Being slow and very limited, perhaps the only good thing about him is that he has a good chin (although he still managed to get dropped and go life and death against some unknown journeyman recently).

I'd say that victories over Takam, Perez, Wach and Charr are clearly superior to wins over Stiverne, Duhaupas, Szpilka and Molina. However, like you say, that doesn't guarantee Povetkin a victory over Wilder. In fact, I'd consider Wilder a slight favorite if they fought.

 

I don't see how you really proved your case here. Duhapaus getting a decision over Charr does not necessarily prove he is a can. Duhapaus has a great chin, but not a lot of power, but he outboxed Charr. I think its pretty clear anyone with decent power can put Charr away, I think there is insurmountable evidence at least Charr is not superior to any of Wilder's recent victories since he just got knocked out by a cruiserweight and lost to what is arguably the third best of Wilder's last four opponents.

So that leaves three. Mariusz Wach's best win was probably Christian Hammer, and this was Hammer in his seventh career fight. Wach is basically a statue with no real power or offense. Great chin but little else. Bermane Stiverne's wins over Arreola may well have trumped anything Wach has done. As well as Artur Spzilka's wins over McCline and Adamek.

Carlos Takam's best win was washed up Tony Thompson, who couldn't even beat Malik Scott. Tony Thompson's best win was arguably David Price, who just got destroyed by Teper, who went life and death with Duhapaus. Ridiculously overrated fighter in Thompson.

And Mike Perez went life and death with the same Takam. Best win was considered to be a relative unknown.

So if you actually look at all the facts, the evidence that Povetkin's last four opponents are head and shoulders over Wilder's last four is actually relatively scant.

I will say without any reservation that any of Wilder's last four opponents would beat Charr. Stiverne would have a good shot at beating all four. Spzilka would have a shot against any of them as well. Duhapaus and Molina could at least go the distance with them.

 

Umm... what?

Takam and Perez were arguably top 10 fighters when Povetkin KO'd, yes, KO'd them.

 

Did they deserve to be though? Who were their best wins?

 

Takam did. He was coming off a win over Tony Thompson who scored a mild upset over Odlanier Solis.

Perez was arguable, but people who say this haven't really put up a list of fighters that should've ranked higher at the time.

Chagaev, Joshua, Stiverne really rank higher? Stiverne maybe, but since his loss to Wilder, he did nothing after. His only 2 wins were against Arreola, and Arreola hasn't done anything amazing before or after.

 

Thompson is badly overrated on this board. Even in his prime you are hard pressed to find quality wins.

 

David Price x2 isn't overrated. Thompson was a huge underdog both times IIRC. In hindsight, we can all talk, but I remember so many picking Price.

Also, the Solis fights. The first time people were picking Solis by a large margin.

Thompson was the underdog in both fights. Yes, Takam's win over him was a good win.

You are also overrating the heavyweight division. Not a lot of fighters have quality wins. Martin is now a top 10 fighter ffs. Stiverne is also still lingering on people's top 10 fighters list. It's not the most talented division. I really don't know what else to tell you. That is why I said Perez was arguably a top 10 fighter.

 

Povetkin is going to stomp the hell out of Wilder. Wilder is going to be KTFO, the referee will stop it....or Wilder's corner will.