Povetkin's last 3 VICTIMS : TKO12Wach, TKO1Perez and KO10Takam

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  1. Mexi-Box

    Mexi-Box Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I also forgot to add people also forget that Wilder dropped a round to Molina and was losing to Szpilka before the KO.

    Povetkin eased through Charr, Perez, and Wach. He only really struggled with Takam who is an entire level above Szpilka and Molina.
     
  2. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    KOing bums doesn't make you a champion. But if Wilder goes in Russia and beats Povetkin then hat's off !
     
  3. Mexi-Box

    Mexi-Box Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Definitely true. Povetkin is still the #3 in the division behind Klitschko and Fury. I would be amazed, but I just don't see him beating Povetkin.

    Guy was dropping rounds to Szpilka who Jennings dominated.
     
  4. Serge

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    I was referring to your comments regarding Povetkin's power. If you genuinely don't think Povetkin possesses the power to put Wilder's lights out then I can't help you. Povetkin might not be a one punch KO artist but he hits very hard with both hands and even if Wilder's chin was made out of a much sturdier substance than it is he still has the power to spark him out. Wilder has been dropped hard and knocked senseless in the amateurs, dropped hard by a scrub in the pros and only ''saved from KO defeat by the bell''.

    'In opening bout action, 2008 Olympic bronze medalist, Deontay Wilder, after scoring two first round knockdowns, survived a major scare after having to rise from the canvas at the end of the second round after being floored hard by veteran Harold Sconiers. With only the second round bell saving Wilder from being knocked out, he then got his senses together in the third round and rebounded to knock Sconiers down twice more in the fourth round. The fourth knockdown was a hard overhand right to the forehead of Sconiers that put him down hard against the bottom rope prompting the referee to call an end to the fight at 1:09 of the fourth round. With the victory, Wilder improves to 13-0 (13KO’s) while the hard luck Sconiers falls to 17-21-2 (11KO).'

    Gabe Montoya was in attendance that night too

    'Two years ago October against Harold Sconiers, Wilder hit the deck hard after an uppercut out of nowhere by Sconiers, who despite his 17-20-2 record could bang a little bit. Wilder took forever to recover and it was definitely a red flag. But that was two years ago and 13 fights ago. As with all prospects, the questions will appear, like Sconiers uppercut, from out of nowhere. With proper gym preparation, Wilder will have the answers the way he did that night against Sconiers. Though on shaky legs, Wilder was able to stop Sconiers in four rounds.'

    Wilder was also dropped heavily numerous times and badly hurt by Wlad in sparring.

    And more recently Wilder was also wobbled badly by Eric Molina who has bean blasted out in a round twice and beaten no one.

    Wilder has been feasting on scrubs for the vast majority career and the only real big punchers he's fought are a 40 year old absolutely terrified Audley Harrison who was like a rabbit in the headlights (did he even throw a punch much less land one?) and Stiverne who was sick and if you doubt that I can tell you that I listened to a podcast days before the fight and heard a respected fight scribe say they had it on very good authority that Stiverne entered camp grossly overweight and had to spend most of the last 2 weeks of it shifting the excess blubber. Go watch the weigh in for the fight and ask yourself why he was reaching for liquids seconds after stepping on the scales.

    And a healthy Stiverne was soundly out boxed by a shot 40 year Ray Austin for 10 rounds before he got clipped. The HBO commentary team were scathing of Stiverne's performance. Larry Merchant said he made Austin look like a prime Larry Holmes. Austin was blasted out in 2 rounds in his prime by a Wlad K who didn't through a single right hand for the entire duration of the fight and Wlad caught hell for fighting him despite the fact that it was a mandatory and Austin hadn't lost in something like 5 years.

    And Stiverne's only claim to fame is beating Arreola, and a very battle worn past it one at that. Arreola was nothing much even when in his prime either. He was wobbled by scrubs in 2 of his 3 fights prior to facing Stiverne too.

    Even Wilder agrees with that

    ''The only guy he [Stiverne] has on his resume is Chris Arreola. That's it! And then I got to give my man Ray Austin some credit. He was 40 something and still whipping his ass all the way until he got clipped in the 11th round (actually it was the 10th). And a guy that's 40 something staying in there.. If Stiverne was the real deal he didn't suppose to stay in there that long with him.''

    --Deontay Wilder

    Wilder has fought scrubs and struggled and been hurt by D level (C at best) fighters numerous times and he's still struggling against them now.

    Povetkin was matched very tough as he was coming up and he's fought many opponents who were renowned for their toughness and durability. The eight opponents who've taken him the distance have a combined record of 300 wins and only 13 stoppage loses and 5 of those them belong to Nicolas Firtha who Povetkin broke his hand against in the first or second round. Again if you doubt this go and watch the fight from 4th round onwards and ask yourself why you're able to count the number of rights he throws per round on one hand.

    Chagaev is granite-jawed and has only ever been stopped once, by a prime Wlad, and even then that was on a corner retirement.

    Chambers has only ever been stopped once, again by Wlad. I think that's the only KD of Chambers' career too.

    Donald has only ever been stopped once, by Vitali.

    Ahunyana is teak-tough (6 round fight) and has only been stopped the once, on an eye injury. In his previous fight prior to facing the 6-0 Povetkin he gave a 17-0 Sultan Ibragimov a very stiff tussle. In fact, he even actually floored him and Ibragimov had a good chin on him too.

    Marco Huck had only been stopped once too, in the final round by Cunningham when he was very tired - and that was back when Huck was still green (he only had 15 amateur fights). This is an old post and Huck has subsequently been stopped again since I wrote it. And Povetkin about whom it is common knowledge didn't always take training as seriously as he should have back then, clearly didn't turn up in the best of shape for that fight, hence why his gas tanks depleted much quicker than usual. He even said he thought it was going to be an easy fight in his post-fight interview IIRC.

    Jason Estrada has only been stopped once and Stephane Tessier (4 round fight) has lost 30 but only failed to last the distance on two occasions.

    Despite Povetkin having been matched tough from his 5th fight onwards and him having fought plenty of very durable opponents, his KO highlight reel is still pretty damn spectacular and he's scored a lot of eye-catching finishes.
     
  5. Serge

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    It's comical watching these clowns try and make out that opponents who have been sparked out twice in a round and beaten no one, or lost to opponents who are widely regarded to be one of Wlad's worst title challengers are good. :lol:
     
  6. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    Wilder is a KO waiting to happen. He will get exposed soon. Same with Joshua. Fury, Povetkin and Ortiz are strong skilled fighters.
     
  7. sean

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    i have a motorised sat dish and am able to pick up all free european channels /german tv is free/
    get many sports channels as well

    watched all those fights at the time

    huck was povetkins worst
    povetkin was out of shape
    yes wilders chin is vunerable
    povetkins chin is better
    povetkins resume is better

    but the old addage of styles make fights is relevant in this fight IMO

    wilder could box long and with his power povetkin might not be able
    or be more reluctent to walk through wilder to get his own shots off

    if wilder takes it to povetkin then the fight is 50./50 imo
    if wilder boxes long i favour him 70/30

    either way its a fight i am looking forward to.
     
  8. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    :lol: You DKSAB knuckle heads and your lame cyclic thinking.
    Any fool could see the vast improvement Szpilka has made in the area of defence under the training of Ronnie Shields. This new and improved version of Szpilka would probably beat Jennings and Mollo in a rematch. He is not the same basic fighter he was when they 1st met.
    Personally, I like to see a fighter working hard to improve and display those improvements fight per fight, as both Wilder and Szpilka are doing.

    Povetkin does not display anywhere near the head and body movement that Szpilka displayed against Wilder. In comparison, he is a straight up fighter who has very little movement which is a perfect target for Wilder's jab and straight right. An Wilder opponent with no movement is going to eat a tremendous number of hard punches. Then it's only a matter of time before they are laying flat on the canvas.

    The Povetkin - Wilder match is a 60/40 fight, and I'm being generous to the almost stationary Povetkin, who will be hit by Wilder even more than Szpilka was.

    Make no mistake, Wilder can be hit, and that's what makes Wilder's fights exciting, his vulnerability. However, WIlder has a fighters heart and when he is hit, he comes right back and dishes out his own. Punch per punch, WIlder's punches have more power than Povetkin, and it would not be wise for Povetkin to stand and trade with Wilder. To win, Povetkin needs the same kind of ring generalship that Szpilka deployed while wating for the opportune time to land his own bombs. Povetkin does not possess this capability. He is a straight up target and won't last as long in the ring as Szpilka did against Wilder.

    Yeah, I said it! Bet on it!
     
  9. Serge

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    I don't have a problem with you thinking Wilder might win or favouring him to do so. Like I said, I was alluding to what you said about Povetkin's power. And the only reason Wilder even stands a chance in this fight is because of his size and reach. Povetkin is by far the better, more accomplished, more sturdy and more proven fighter and if they were the same size Wilder wouldn't make it out of the first round.
     
  10. PRINC£

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    Wilder gonna beat the roids right out of Plodetkin
     
  11. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    Wilder's bum, bum squaad!

    Worm Nichols, Sconiers, Firtha and Molina proved.
     
  12. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Post fight Povetkin is going to be real peeved at Putin and his drug pusher.
    AP: "I thought you told me these steroids would make me a better fighter"?
    Roid dealer: "But you should know they only work on body and not chin". :lol:
     
  13. turnip

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    Wilder is flawed but is all wrong for POV. Pov is not hard to hit or particularly fast .if he catchs Wilder could be over early but it is more likely Wilder hits him with a big shot as he comes forward he will have to take it to Wilder to win and risks getting KO ed .pov would have more chance against fury if he fights a busy up close attack and outworks fury.pov Wilder will end badly for the Russian.