Larry Holmes vs. Max Baer

Similar angles and a similar speed.

http://makeagif.com/MMecDA

http://makeagif.com/EQDsxL

Break down the significant differences in technique and execution between these two punches that those who "know" boxing should see in your opinion.

 

You just changed the gif, smart guy. See if you can find one where Tua exposes his chin and stumbles off balance like the first one of Galento.

 

Great move changing Galento gifs! But the fact that you thought that Galento's technique in the first one was at all comparable to Tua's betrays a limited understanding of boxing fundamentals. That first Galento hook was one of the ugliest I've seen in quite some time.

 

Be that as it may, Galento was more successful than Tua in the real physical universe.

His win over Lou Nova puts anything that Tua did in the shade!

 

You can't possibly believe that thumbing Lou Nova to death in one of the dirtiest fights of all time is more impressive than Tua's performance against Ike. Impossible.

 

I think Tua is ridiculously overrated for the same reason that Toney is (although Toney was an atg), in that people see the parts, which are very impressive, and ignore the whole, which fell short.

That being said Tua annhilated a former titlist and top guy, and a future titlist and top guy in a combined total of less than a round.
He also held a legitimate, bona fide heavyweight champion to a standstill on two occasions. As well as beat several guys who floated around the top 10.

So it's not like Tua was Tony Ayala jr, or somebody who is remembered for reasons other than his boxing. He was a quality contender in a very deep division, one I think was a lot deeper than Galento's.

 

That's how I see it. Holmes would have to walk the tightrope all night with Baer.

 

It obviously is possible, because I believe it.

Nova was the #1 ranked contender, and seen as an outstanding one.

There were people who seriously thought that he might beat Louis, and he took the Galento fight almost as a time filler.

I used to think like you, that Galento owed his success primarily to liberal use of foul tactics, but when I looked into it in more detail, I found some surprising answers.

Galento essentially won by using a smart fight plan!

He found some stylistic flaw in Nova, and was hitting him with counters all night.

Once it went to the gutter, there was only going to be one winner.

 

You're rewriting history here... You're the first source I've ever come across to suggest that Galento didn't beat Nova by fighting an appallingly dirty fight.

The fact that some poor souls had an overinflated estimation of Nova going into the fight doesn't make a win over him (a dirty one no less) as impressive as surviving 12 very competitive rounds with Ike.

 

No more uglier than Tua.

I switched gifs for reasons explained.

 

I changed the gif for reasons explained. Thought Galento was incapable? This gif shouldn'tt exist if you were right.

You claim Tua never lost balance or exposed his chin now?

 

No, it is a far uglier punch. Go back and pay attention to their back feet and the angles of their arms/elbows and you'll see that despite the superficial similarity, they are throwing very different punches.

http://makeagif.com/Y-44LG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj5e7NPWnrY

Also, the fact that Tua delivers his on the move, after taking several steps forward makes his a much more difficult punch to throw than Galento's bounce-bounce-flying squirrel technique.

I missed the explanation, sorry. Either way, smart move! :good

 

Your fooled by the camera angle and set up, which is why I changed the gif.

The mechanics of the actual punch are the same.

The set up is Tua coming under a jab, and Galento off a feint. Galento's is actually the more difficult to land and throw, he's creating an opening for his hook against a set opponent..none other than one of the fastest counter punchers in the divisions history.

Galento steps in, forces Louis to react, and drop his left to counter with his own hook. Galento rolls back and launches the real left hook at a now exposed chin. Louis realizes his mistake but it too late.

Galento knew how to throw and deliver his hook at the highest level, his other skills were lacking, but no question, on his hook.