Any Middleweights you'd favor over Sam Langford?

And why is it that you lot ever think there has never been alternate claims to titles ?... hell there are many belts these days.

 

So Dave Smith somehow won the 158 pound title weighing 165 pounds? And then retained it when he was knocked out by Papke four months later? Because according to Dave Smith himself, immediately after beating Papke by DQ he admitted he wasnt the champion and hoped for a title fight. Regardless Papke's claim was tenuous at best (claiming the title reverted to him upon Ketchel's death) and was settled in the elimination series in France which Klaus won. No, Darcy was never champion, neither was Dave Smith or Jeff Smith, or McGoorty.

 

He was far more than a contender, i also didn't name you... and what does popping his clogs mean ???

 

Papke was the one overweight.

 

Well the step above contender is champion, which he wasn't.

If your post wasn't aimed at me which of his mates was it aimed at?

Dying.

 

They were all more legitimate than Al McCoy and you know that or you are no expert. Klaus's claim was dubious, so was Papke's and i accept that.... so in reality if Darcy was not the champ then there was simply NO champion in the division but Darcy was acknowledged as the best middleweight around and would have destroyed Greb if they fought in 1916 and destroyed Gibbons and Dillon too.

 

You don't know that Darcy was only 20 when he had his last fight, he had 56 fights, lost 4 and was never put on canvas let alone knocked out and beat all the best MWs in the world apart from mike Gibbons who he wanted to fight but died before that could happen... he destroyed McGoorty twice, destroyed Chip and beat Clabby twice and avenged very defeat he ever had.... Lufcrazy he was one of the greats..... Packey McFarland never won a title so is he not great ? Langford must'nt be great either... the Yanks deny also that Young Griffo was a world champ too... he was.

 

Anyone who posts here will tell you that Klompton and I are not "mates". I've had more up and downers with him than most, but he does know his subject.
I haven't attacked Darcy either.
You've been back how long and already the "martyr complex ",is kicking in again. There's no anti- Aussie feeling here,stop with the paranoia.

 

Despite whatever argument you propose there I told you the lineage that the Australian's used and you must also admit that they certainly didn't male it up for Darcy's sake.... the title had not been satisfactorily decided by anyone and in times like that someone has to get things going again, as they have done dozens and dozens of times since.

 

I do know that, I've seen his record.

He was not more than a contender though, that can't be denied.

Langford and McFarland were also contenders and that can also not be denied.

Greatness is how you choose to define it. Langford is my number 36, McFarland is my number 71. Darcy is not in my top 100.

 

No anti Aussie feeling on your part maybe, but Klompton certainly does have ill feeling towards us... he has said so many things he can never take back, hell I even know former Australian heavyweight champion who'd like to give him a smack on the behind for some comments

 

LOL then your top 100 sucks real bad but thats because you lack knowledge of Darcy........ sorry, you are entitled to some opinion I suppose but seriously darcy is a legend, one of the greats and has to be top 100 at bare minimum

 

Also he is widely regarded as Australia's greatest boxer to ever live although I think Griffo has a huge claim to that

 

You cannot deny that Darcy had a belt... you can try to say it didn't mean anything but he did fight in fights billed as world title fights with a belt... 10 fights in fact.

 

Maybe Nat Fleischer was correct or it might very well be he was wrong in saying that the middleweight version of Sam Langford would NOT catch up to a Harry Greb and KO Greb ? But Nat Fleischer who called Sam Langford the greatest fighter ever to "not win a title", and raved about Langford was on good grounds as
in about 280 consecutive bouts the frenetic Harry Greb was NEVER STOPPED..
P.S. And the young prime Jack Dillon as a young middleweight flattened
heavyweights earning the title as "Jack the Giant Killer Dillon " and was called
also "the white Sam Langford " , so highly respected was Dillon as a rampaging middleweight....
PPS...Also don't underrate Stanley Ketchel as a great middleweight who spotted
Sam Langford at least 15 pounds and held his own, and was regarded after his tragic death as the greatest 160 lb fighter the boxing writers who saw him at his best ever saw...Ketchel was a rip roaring fearless fighter who took on EVERYONE
but succumbed to addiction near the end of his career...Lest we forget...