Any Middleweights you'd favor over Sam Langford?

and didn't Lou Bogash beat the **** out of Greb ?.... Greb spent FOUR days in hospital ROFL.. and even that legend of the ring.... umm... Joe Borell... Joe outclassed him totally lol

 

And Greb weighed exactly the same as Kid Norfolk in 1924 yet lost because of a DQ no doubt cos he is one of the dirtiest fighters ever

 

Greb outweighed Loughran but Tommy still won and Loughrans record at the time ? 12 - 2 and 1 draw.... so how do you like me pointing out flaws in your boy eh ??? not fun is it ??... no one is perfect, I don't like doing this either but Harry doesn't care... you do Klompton

 

Pittsburgh Post, Pittsburgh Times, and AP gave out to Greb, Pittsburgh Gazette-Times gave verdict to Norfolk. Ill. Boxing Record gave Norfolk 6 of 10 rounds.
Norfolk, who was 17 1/2 pounds heavier than Greb, won four of the first five rounds, and scored a flash knockdown in round three, not hurting Greb. Greb won every one of the last five rounds. Greb "smothered him with a two-fisted attack," as Norfolk tired, and the Kid was "all at sea." Referee Yock Henniger said the next day that he would have given it to Greb if a decision was allowed. Norfolk suffered a badly cut eye. Apparently Greb held Norfolk in too much respect until he realized that the Kid could not hurt him. (Reports from the Pittsburgh Post.) It is sometimes said that Norfolk thumbed Greb in this fight, leading to his loss of sight in one eye. However, there is nothing in the account from the Post to indicate anything of that sort. According to Bill Paxton in The Fearless Harry Greb, a punch delivered by Norfolk in this fight may have initiated a retinal detachment which eventually caused Greb to lose his sight in the right eye. This idea is based on the fact that Greb reportedly started experiencing some unusual visual effects after this fight.

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Ive already discussed this above but you cant read so you wouldnt know. Besides, not all fighters can be protected fighting in their backyard in their own ring in a stadium owned by your promoter and having your fights refereed by your managers brother with a special path created running around the entire ring designed especially so your manager can walk around the ring unobstructed while instructing you. No, they cant all be that protected.

Id love to show you just how Australian boxing was conducted back then when Jimmy Clabby knocked out Gus DeVitt cold and DeVitt's manager literally climbs onto the ring apron in the middle of the ring while the referee is counting him out and starts waving a towel over him in an attempt to revive him before the count is complete prompting Clabby to go and shove the man away. THAT is how boxing was conducted in Australia in that era. Id love to show you but Id rather you never see it. It might shatter your delicate sensibilities.

 

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:|pp:smh coming from a guy who comes from the country that invented HD fights and is known all throughout 20th century boxing as the country where organised crime ran boxing....

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:|pp:smh coming from a guy who comes from the country that invented ND fights and is known all throughout 20th century boxing as the country where organised crime ran boxing....

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Last guy who ever needed protecting anywhere in a fight is Les Darcy... lol some people.

 

Also Clabby is one of Australia's favourites ever so the actions of some dumbo hardly matter, Clabby is an honourary Aussie who owned a racehorse stable in Sydney but anyway... you tried.

 

You really want to debate Greb with me? Really? And your ammunition is boxrec no less? Ok lets do this:

Loughran had 52 recorded fights when he finally notched the one victory over Greb in their 5 or 6 fight series. Greb had already beaten him handily three times and was living it up after having just won the title so I think I can excuse him losing a disputed decision to a future HOFer. Loughran, like Darcy, had split two fights with Jeff Smith, gave Gene Tunney hell, and defeated standing LHW champion Mike McTigue, MW title claimant Bryan Downey. Thats one fight in six that Greb lost to the naturally larger future HOFer. Now to put that in perspective Les Darcy has exactly one victory over a HOFer it was underwhelming controversial DQ win over Jeff Smith who had TKOd him in their previous fight. I think I'll take Greb's record against HOFer's any day of the week over your heros.

Now, as to the Norfolk fight the boxing record book is not a first hand source so we can throw that out immediately. Of the 7 Pittsburgh newspapers six covered the fight and one reprinted an article from the Gazette-Times. Those newspapers present voted as such:

Press: Norfolk
Sun: Norfolk
Gazette-Times: Norfolk
Post: Greb
Leader: Greb
Dispatch: Greb

The three papers that voted for Norfolk all stated that he won the first six rounds and lost the last 4. They also stated that At the end of the fight Greb was well in control with Norfolk being battered. The three papers that voted for Greb voted by margins of 6-4, 6-3-1, and 9-1. The referee for the contest stated that had he not been prevented from rendering a decision by state law he would have awarded the victory to Greb and that had the fight gone on two or three rounds Greb would have knocked Norfolk out. After the fight Norfolk called of his scheduled engagements and was admitted to the hospital. He had planned to leave Pittsburgh the day of the fight but was in such bad shape he had to remain in town for several more days.

As to the eye injury I will take the word of Greb's closest friends and family over anyone today. They were unanimous that his injury was caused by Norfolk. Later Red Mason, Greb's manager stated that he thought the injury came later but this is likely due to the fact that when Greb fought Norfolk Mason was no longer managing him and wouldnt be for over a year more. Its likely he wasnt aware of the extent of Greb's eye injury until after Greb's death and this is born out by statements he made to the press after Greb died which have confused some less diligent researchers.

Now, if you care to continue making a fool of yourself we can. By all means. I enjoy embarrassing you and can discuss Greb however long you care to.

 

Yeah, and if they tried to rob won of their "favourites" what would they do to the others? Just ask Jeff Smith. He had plenty to say about it. So did guys like Christie, Crouse, and others who discussed at length how gambling ruled boxing in Australia and how the fights were largely fixed by outside forces and by the fighters themselves to capitilize on the betting which paid better than the promoters. Sorry pal, you may not want to hear it but thats the way it was.

 

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"That fellow Jeff Smith cut me to ribbons. To this day I suppose he doesn’t realize how near he came to flattening me in the eighth round. I started a long right containing a load of TNT. Smith ducked the blow and let fly a right-cross. His punch landed directly under my left eye. It cut a deep gash. The force of the blow staggered me for fully 10 seconds. I didn’t know where I was.

In the seven preceding sessions Smith had outpointed me. He made me miss often. His crouching position raised havoc with my style. I just couldn’t fathom his stuff. Time and again I thought I saw a chance for a knockout punch, but try as I might I couldn’t hit the mark, and he kept pecking a straight left in my face.
The fans couldn’t believe their eyes when they saw Smith hammer me all over the place in that never-to-be-forgotten eight. He caught me off guard and, boy, oh boy, how he whaled away, raining an assortment of punches on my face and body. I got myself together beginning the ninth, and beat him so badly that the newspaper men at the ringside agreed on a draw decision. But I was a terrible looking mess after the battle. George Engel, who handled me, turned white as snow when he saw Smith pummel me in the eighth. When I came back to the corner he asked me how I felt, and he was lumstruck when I informed him that I was going out in the next to slaughter Smith. George said: ‘Better take it easy, Harry. Looks like he’s got your number.’ But to Engel’s surprise I chased Smith all over the ring and paid him back in full.

Smith and I had five arguments. He has always been a troublesome customer. He gave me a hard battle at New Orleans, but the Cincinnati affair goes down in the book as the roughest voyage I ever experienced inside the ropes. After the fight I went back to my hotel room and called in a doctor. All of the next day hot applications were placed on the injured optic, and I thought I would lose my eyesight. Engel was worried about a scheduled bout with Tom Gibbons in New York, then only three weeks away, but I told him I’d be ready. I suffered considerable pain for four more days, but I managed to climb in against Gibbons and beat him in 15 rounds. Gibbons gave me plenty of trouble, too, but nobody ever punished me like Smith."

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Nobody tried to Rob Clabby... you said a dumbo entered ring and tried to revive a nobody....... and to the previous post of yours...

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oh yeah I also like to entertain our readers, here and the ones in facebook I invited to look in here because they are having a great belly laugh at Compton's expense.

 

I did reply. I replied with the simple fact that NOBODY thought Smith won that fight and that Greb never lost a fight to Smith, something Darcy cant say.

When an Australian referee allows an Australian cornerman to climb onto the ring apron and attempt to revive his fighter in mid count then Id say thats pretty criminal. Clabby was contracted to fight one man, not two. So much for the Australian sense of fair play.

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I didnt answer it because I deemed it beneath me to joust with someone whose best weapon is boxrec. If you insist on being made to look foolish: Go back and look at every on site newspaper that wasnt based in New York (you know the city whose newspaper men had an axe to grind with Greb after he exposed their grafting). Every single one not only had Greb beating Bogash but doing so handily. In fact, a fight with Battling Siki was on the line to the winner of Greb-Bogash and immediately after the fight promoters began negotiations with Greb and Siki for the fight (which was ultimately nixed by a court ruling in New York over a contract Siki had entered into to face Kid Norfolk). It wasnt Bogash who got the plumb it was Greb. And no, Greb did not spend any time in the hospital after Bogash. LOL. Another one of your lies, kind of like saying that Dave Smith was under the MW limit for Papke when in fact the newspapers state categorically that weights were withheld, the contract stipulated that he must weigh in OVER the limit, and that he looked to be heavier than the limit anyway. But hey, youll say anything to suit your agenda.

LOL. Calling for help already? Its like Gallipoli all over again isnt it? Must suck being you.