Any Middleweights you'd favor over Sam Langford?

I don't give a flying fark where Fitx was born, he left when he was a tiny kid and he was referred to his whole time in America as an Aussie... jesus christ, his own book on self defense has EVERYONE who wrote in it calling him an AUSTRALIAN.... now you are just sounding like a jerk, if Bob had any objections to being called an Aussie he would have farkin said so. just keep on trolling though if you like but you can't re-write history.

 

and of course he took out american citizenship... dems da rules

 

One of the strangest reports I have read.. so was Klaus elbowing the Frenchman's trainer ? and why was the trainer within range of an elbow... rofl

 

So george Chip won the title off Klaus in a SIX round bout.. lol these yank fights were a farkin joke, 6 rounds... good grief,,, well at least Darcy destroyed Chip in one of the more one sided fights ever .

 

If you want to claim Fitz as one of your own that's fine with me I'm not desperate to do so, my point was he wasn't half anything.Im neither trolling nor trying to rewrite history that was you when you said Darcy was a world champion.
I know you've a very short fuse so I'm going to sign off now.

 

All this time the fights in Australia were the real deal, all 20 round fights with judges and REAL money too, a lot more money downunder for fighters.

 

Nah I am cool and I do recognize that Bob was a bit of a globetrotter but to most they called him an Aussie because of his accent which is also very close to the Kiwi.

 

I don't really care about the Australian national belt. I haven't doubted it's existence, I've questioned it's relevance.

Show me a post where I refer to these 100's of ABC title holders as champions please. Once you do that we can highlight any double standards.

Not sure why you're bringing Klompton up, you fancy him?

 

Not sure why you are making every word i saidto be about you, i was talking in general, i.e. the general attitude around here, as for Klompton you do not know the history of how long he has hated Darcy and many of the times he simply didn't just cross the line he set new lows no one has a chance of reaching, the guy can't stand me and I can't stand him because of his smug arrogant rude attitude.

 

All I know about you is that you are crazy about something called a Luf

 

"Why do you discount Darcy yet thinks its ok for all these other titlists like those in the 30's 40's and the WBA or WBC etc... in other words if Darcy is no champ then there has not been a world champion in half a century. YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, YOU CANNOT DISCOUNT DARCY YET SAY ALL THESE OTHERS ARE CHAMPS...... THAT's a DOUBLE STANDARD....... You just wanna get get into Klompton's favour ????"

Very hard to see why I would assume you was talking me when you typed that.

 

It's an amalgamation lufc and crazy. Lufc being leeds united football club. Once home to Kewell and Viduka. Both Australians I have heard mentioned a whole lot more than Les Darby or whatever he's called.

 

Great stuff!

 

Greg nobody cares about your goofy ass revisionist agenda. Half the time Im not even sure what the **** you are on about. I mean saying that it was the rules that Fitz take out citizenship? Rules for what? Fitz chose to immigrate here he wasnt forced. He chose to stay here. He wasnt forced. He didnt have to take out citizenship unless he intended to stay.

Denying that Darcy EVER trained at rushcutters... Really? Never?

When are you finally going to acknowledge that your own papers dispute your account that Dave Smith won the MW title from Papke? Here is another one "Unfortunately for Smith however the title was NOT in dispute." Sydney Evening News December 27, 1910.

In fact the Sydney Morning Herald December 10, 1913 stated that Harald Baker had invented the version of the title that you think derived from Papke-Smith in order to promote the McGoorty-Smith fight because "the title was in dispute." So essentially a guy trying to sell tickets created his title to sell more tickets at a higher price with no justification whatsoever. He did this by claiming the McGoorty was the best MW in America and Smith was the best in Oz. Well, one problem with that. McGoorty was coming off two losses, one against the real champion Klaus, and one against Clabby. McGoorty had no more claim to being a participant in a title fight elimination than a half dozen other MWs at least. In reality Darcy's title was invented by Darcy's management team to sell tickets and had no legitimacy whatsoever.

And like I said, you can post all of the George Underwood articles you want. It just so happens he was one of the journalists that Greb exposed for soliciting bribes so it doesnt surprise me that he would enter a slanted anti-Greb opinion. Rather than rely on one report that defends your argument (and Im not really sure what your argument is as Bogash was a very good and very highly touted contender, he just wasnt Australian so you cant be bothered with him). Lets look at the others shall we?:

The Newark Evening News had Greb the winner and lauded his work saying he was a real fighting champion.
Newark Star Eagle: Greb earned a decision by a fair margin and apparently has qualified for a set-to with Battling Siki at the Newark Armory.
Pittsburgh Post: Local Battler Outpoints Bogash Decisively.

Fairplay, writing in his syndicated column poo pooed the idea running through his fellow NY newspapers that Bogash had beaten Greb with a sarcastic "Yes, he did not." "But, in the main, Greb plastered his man good and proper with those stinging wallops that do not knock out, but do cut a man up. Lou was bleeding in a number of rounds. All in all, it was a rattling good no-decision encounter."

Isnt it interesting how the only papers that voted Greb a loser derived from New York City and those articles were written by men who had specifically been criticised by Greb after the second Tunney fight and again when he accused them attempting to solicite bribes from him?

Why you are lying about Greb being in the hospital after Bogash, or where you even pulled that out of your ass is beyond me. The day after his fight with Bogash the Pittsburgh Papers reported that Greb was due home that day to begin training for Soldier Jones. Does that sound like a guy who was laid up in the hospital for "some days"? Sure enough the following day Greb arrived in Pittsburgh, signed articles to face Soldier Jones, and began training for the encounter which took place only two weeks after Greb had just defeated one of the top MW contenders. That doesnt sound to me like a guy who was laid up in his sick bed. Care for some more Greb education? Just keep spouting off. Does it annoy me? No. I just assume that your terminal cancer is a form of brain cancer and you cant control what you write.

Its funny that you deny McCoy's title and claim he wasnt widely recognized when your own W.F. Corbett of Referee referred to him as such both when he won the title and when he lost it to O'Dowd. When McCoy lost his title to O'Dowd Corbett wrote an article outlining the lineage of the title from Ketchel to O'Dowd and you wont find Darcy or Dave Smith anywhere in that article. Corbett, if you werent aware, was writing out of Sydney and considered one of its greatest boxing experts. When Mike O'Dowd was over seas in England during WW1 he was referred to by every report you can find as the World's Middleweight Champion. Where do you suppose his title derived from if not McCoy? The April 29, 1914 issue of La Boxe et Les Boxeurs (the foremost boxing publication in continental Europe at the time) featured Al McCoy on its front cover and detailed how he had defeated Chip for the title. On April 25, 1914 McCoy was awarded a championship belt emblematic of his Worlds Championship by the East New York Athletic Club. Hes listed as champion in the 1921 set of boxing cards that was released. He is listed in the Ring Record book, Everlast record book, Police Gazette record book, Post boxing record book. Your precious George Underwood called McCoy champion. When he knocked out Chip the New York Press ran the headline "New Middleweight Champion". Cross Counter wrote "McCoy, a real champion who won middleweight title legitimately." for his headline. In their writeup of the knockout over Chip the New York Tribune called McCoy the "new middleweight champion of the East and of the World." The Brooklyn Standard Union ran the headline "Al McCoy is Middleweight Champ". The New York Evening Telegram wrote "McCoy, Champ, Puts Away Chip in 2 minutes." The Brooklyn Daily Eagle referred to him as world champion when he fought Billy Murray both before and after despite his sorry showing. Chicago Day Book "Al McCoy who is champion by virtue of his win over Chip." The Bridgeport Evening Farmer called McCoy the worlds champion in their paper. The New York Evening World referred to him as worlds champion. When listing the champions in all sports ending 1916 the Tacoma Times listed McCoy as MW world champion, not Darcy. I could literally fill up the Eastside servers with sources that refer to McCoy as the world champion from all over the world but I think you get the point.

As for the Klaus-Carpentier fight report you posted whereby Klaus supposedly elbowed Carpentier. Uh no. I have the film of that fight, Leon See's original fight report, and Carpentier's own account. Nobody mentions anything about Descamps jumping into the ring because Carpentier was elbowed. In reality Carpentier started spitting blood in the ring due to the body punishment Klaus was dishing out. Descamps, by Carpentier's own admission, feared that Carpentier would suffer serious injury and by See's account lost his mind in grief over the condition of his fighter and jumped into the ring to save Carpentier further punishment. Period.

LOL, you can watch the Chip fight and see its not a one sided fight for Darcy. Nice try pal. You might be able to salve your wounded ego over the above by saying that Darcy beat Chip but guess what? So did Al McCoy and he did it easier, when it mattered, and he also didnt have every single conceivable advantage over his rival. In fact every fighter that Darcy beat to claim his greatness: Clabby, McGoorty, Chip, Smith, Brown, etc. Were all well beaten before Darcy ever got to them. Its not like he popped the cherry on all of these undefeated fighters. In fact one Mike Gibbons, who Darcy ducked, had done it to all except Chip and he eventually did it to Chip numerous times as well. So theres that.

If there was so much more money down under for fighters than there was in the United States why did Darcy come here to make his fortune? Unless he was dodging the draft. Its either one or the other? Or unless he just came here to win the title from the real champion? Which is it? Was there more money here, was he running from his military obligation, or was he coming to fight the real champion? Darcy himself said it was because this was where the real money was. The American fighters who came back all admitted that it wasnt the promoters paying the real money it was the gamblers, hence all of the bizarre events that took place down there at the time sorrounding fights. So you want us to believe that the real money was in Australia but that Darcy dodged the draft, left his home, family, and sweetheart, stowed away aboard a ship (breaking several laws in the process), and took a journey of several weeks to come to a foreign land in order to make less money? Fight a guy who wasnt champion and wasnt highly regarded? Your arguing yourself into a corner here.

 

Klompton,he's being egged on by another nut-job who is supplying him with the info about Greb, Bogash, Smith etc .....The Great Spesh aka Joe "USA! USA! USA!" Jennette.

They've been chuntering on about it for a few days on one of the FB groups he runs. Doug/Surf-Bat has been trying to talk sense to them but they're having none of it. They really dislike you over there, not that it will bother you.