Joe Calzaghe or Ricardo López: which had the greater career?

Loudon · Feb 26, 2016

Gr8Mandingo said: ↑

Hard for me to decide....to be honest I've only seen Lopez against Rosando Alverez (Drew the first fight) and some Thai guy who was already shot by the time they fought...I think he got KOd in one round, it was one of Lopez's last fights

I've seen much more of Calzaghe, although I've never found him particularly dominant, but for whatever reason his opponents seem to have no answer

I know we all look back now and call Lacey a chump, but in 2006 that was a very good win for Calzaghe. I also remember the late 90s, Calzaghe beat Charles Brewer, and nobody gives Brewer a lot of credit, but I think that was a good win for Calzaghe

But to be honest , I am much more familiar with Calzaghe level of comp compared to Lopez's

Eubanks was a great 168 pound fighter..
Hopkins went on to win another title after losing to Calzaghe
Roy was shot by the time they fought, but to be fair Calzaghe had been calling Roy out for 10 years at that point

I'm picking Calzaghe

Also bottom line his competition was much more diverse. Calzaghe fought much more black competition than Lopez ever did
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Brewer had lost 7/8 times before he fought Joe, and his biggest wins were against Pemberton and a 38/39 year old Graham.

Eubank had been a great SMW, but not when Joe fought him.

Joe called out Roy for 10 years? Ha!

IntentionalButt · Feb 26, 2016

Btw, Loudon (and whoever else hasn't) - you should check out some López. :good

Loudon · Feb 26, 2016

Serge said: ↑

atsch You mean a hardcore long time Calzaghe hater created a thread to try and discredit him which was immediately pounced on by a bunch of other hardcore longtime Calzaghe haters and other posters with agendas pretending they're objective. That thread?
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I don't know mate, I don't go on there that often.

When did you see it?

The one I'm referring to was posted this week.

After reading the comments, I've decided I'm going to watch it again over the weekend. I can't remember too much of it, but I thought Joe won a scr*ppy fight. I watched it on holiday.

Loudon · Feb 26, 2016

IntentionalButt said: ↑

It was tough for Joe, as Bika was always difficult. It may have been even, aside from Reid, the hardest night's work for Joe pre-Kessler.

Overall, though, very wide and clear winner for Calzaghe. There were lots of rounds where Bika's awkward, rough physicality clashed with Calzaghe's style and made it somewhat close, but most of those were still very clear with a high statistical edge in point-scoring for JC.

I have also come across people making the same claims about Ward vs. Bika, that it could have been a draw or even a Bika win. I don't agree with that either. Both defeated him clearly (though not without difficulty), and Calzaghe a bit more so.
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Thanks a lot.

I'm going to watch it again.

Loudon · Feb 26, 2016

IntentionalButt said: ↑

Btw, Loudon (and whoever else hasn't) - you should check out some López. :good
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Most definitely.

:good

Azzer85 · Feb 26, 2016

captain hook said: ↑

Finito was maybe even greater fighter, but its a minimum weight which is not so strong and popular as other divisions.
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Its not a popularity contest

And minimum weight is no different to any other weight class.

HerolGee · Feb 26, 2016

Loudon said: ↑

Brewer had lost 7/8 times before he fought Joe, and his biggest wins were against Pemberton and a 38/39 year old Graham.

Eubank had been a great SMW, but not when Joe fought him.

Joe called out Roy for 10 years? Ha!
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"I'm not chasing Roy Jones" - direct quote from joe cowardzaghe

IntentionalButt · Feb 26, 2016

HerolGee said: ↑

"I'm not chasing Roy Jones" - direct quote from joe cowardzaghe
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And "it'd take a mint".

HerolGee · Feb 26, 2016

Loudon said: ↑

The answer is obvious.
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becos cowardzaghe chose to.

Loudon · Feb 26, 2016

HerolGee said: ↑

"I'm not chasing Roy Jones" - direct quote from joe cowardzaghe
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It's been done to death on here.

It's not hating on Joe by saying he didn't want to fight Roy in his prime.

How many did?

Only a handful.

Serge · Feb 26, 2016

Loudon said: ↑

Brewer had lost 7/8 times before he fought Joe, and his biggest wins were against Pemberton and a 38/39 year old Graham.

Eubank had been a great SMW, but not when Joe fought him.

Joe called out Roy for 10 years? Ha!
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Brewer was a good fighter and a big puncher. He'd only lost 3 fights in like the last 7 years or 8 years prior to facing Calzaghe and 2 of them were SDs over in Germany to Sven Ottke at least one of which he deserved. I thought you were all about how corrupt they are over there in Deutschland?

The other loss against Antwun Echols was also controversial too.

Great fight for as long as it lasted. You can see how dangerous Brewer still was

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Serge · Feb 26, 2016

Loudon said: ↑

I don't know mate, I don't go on there that often.

When did you see it?

The one I'm referring to was posted this week.

After reading the comments, I've decided I'm going to watch it again over the weekend. I can't remember too much of it, but I thought Joe won a scr*ppy fight. I watched it on holiday.
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Yes it's the thread from few days ago. Like I said, they're longtime haters.

It was a tough night's work but Calzaghe clearly won. Bika was very dirty with that big noggin of his. B-Hop, Reid and Bika were all really dirty against Calzaghe.

HerolGee · Feb 26, 2016

calzaghe definitely beat that guy Bika who had just moved up from MW. bika wasn't much apart from very tough, and very dirty, and extremely unrelenting.

IntentionalButt · Feb 26, 2016

HerolGee said: ↑

calzaghe definitely beat that guy Bika who had just moved up from MW. bika wasn't much apart from very tough, and very dirty, and extremely unrelenting.
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That was enough to make him a handful for anyone, including the greatest two super middles of all time.

theword · Feb 26, 2016

Does the fact that Lopez fought in two divisions (into his mid 30s when most fighters are slowing down) where speed is one of the most prized assets influence anyone?

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