Carlos Monzon vs Sugar Ray Leonard

No, everything you've said
Ive refuted. And any REASONABLE person know that. I mean you claim he ducked speed, but who was that much faster then Hearns or Benitez, or Duran for that matter esp at welter. You claim he constantly got dropped, but he wasn't dropped once with possibly the hardest hitting welter in history. And didn't star getting dropped until after the 1st of many layoffs. ALL facts. Unfortunately you on the other hand cherry pick bad moments of Leonard's career and focus on that. You my friend are a hater. Plain and simple. Its the reason you and your cronies chose to pick bad moments in his career, and completely choose to ignore the great moments. You choose to revise history to support your claims. Any fool can do that with any fighter. Me personally am not a big fan of Leonard if you want to know. He did a lot of things outside the ring that to me personally I thought was completely unnecessary. Like the dog and pony show he did with Hagler in 82'. Or the arrogance he showed with Pryor the same year. But in the ring before that 1st layoff he was one of the best fighters this world has ever seen. To deny that, and esp the way you and your cronies choose to deny that is denying the facts. Plain and simple.

 

What a bunch of B.S, I thought you were silly, now I know you are.

 

Hearns was probably the hardest hitting Welterweight ever in 81.

He beat the highly regarded and speedy Hill 2 years after the SRL rematch. This was Hills only loss in a 44 fight stretch and 12 year period. Hill wasn't beaten in 13 fights post Hearns including oodles of title fights.

 

Can you manage to get even anything right stupid? So now Duran quit on his stool.:-(

 

Yeah, and was gifted a draw. This is the guy we are all supposed to love the way Flash does is it? Even in that fight Leonard made a weight stip because he knew he couldn't be effective over 160 against Tommy.

 

You are wasting your time. Just like the Tyson freaks and Pac****s there are people here who regard you as pure evil if you offer an opinion of Leonard that has anything less than god like status accorded to him.

 

I make a lot of mental mistakes Foxy, I am old and not well. The fact I forgot Duran quit during the round and not on his stool means what exactly???

You know that had nothing to do with my point so why make fun of me rather than just deal with my point, which was Duran quit during that fight, correct? :smoke

Why do you always "belittle" others Foxy?

You were making a point about mental toughness, I brought Duran's mental toughness towards your point to make you THINK and you choose to divert and focus on a side point you were aware was created from my poor and reckless memory for the exact details.

You are a PUNK Foxy :bbb

 

This is a typical case of the pot calling the kettle black. You want to claim that Leonard fought a strong version of Hearns in 81, but completely ignore the fact that Tommy fought less than 3 months after that at 155 a full 10 pounds heavier than for Leonard, and furthermore Tommy NEVER attempted to get below 150 for the remaining 25 years of his career.

So if you accuse posters of being selective it might be best if you were not selective yourself.

 

are you seriously claiming that SRL fought a un-prime version of Hearns during their first meeting????

lets not forget many still claim his prime weight as Welter :good

just because he hammered Duran into the canvas at super welter doesn't mean that was his prime started one division higher :nono

 

No I don't think anyone (and esp me) have a problem with your opinions. You are the one with the issues with respecting opinions if anything. You and Red and D&F are the group that answer reasonable answers and questions with name calling and belittling others opinions simply because they don't agree with the nonsense and venom you spew. So where did God come in the picture? And evil? (remember your crack on God and Mountains) Or is just ok for you to use biblical references to make a statement? Silly rabbit, tricks are for kids... People like you make it so easy for people like me lol.

 

No stupid. I am saying Tommy out grew Welter and the Leonard fight proved it to both him and his trainer, which is why he boxed on for a further 25 years and NEVER attempted to get below 150 again. If that is too difficult for you to understand that's your problem.

 

On the contrary my senile friend. Rather it is you that makes things easy for me, with posts like this.

 

Jeez you simply can't get anything right can you? This is my reply to the poster concerned who tried to claim Leonard showed " more steel " in his first fight with Duran than Hagler did in his fight with the Panamanian more than 3 years later.

Try to get your facts right. No one mentioned Duran's mental toughness. It is all in your mind.:hi:

 

well he sure out grew welterweight after SRL blasted him out of it that is for sure :good

are you implying that Hearn's was too big at the time of his first SRL fight and had dropped too much weight and therefore wasn't PRIME and therefore lost to SRL because it was too hard on him to make the WW limit ,,,,,

is that the point you are trying to make about Tommy Foxy?

 

No my senile friend, your the one that belittled my biblical references a few days ago, but the irony of today is here you are doing the exact same thing. So my post from earlier today was a response to the biblical reference you used, but I'm sure it had to be explained to you because of your higher intellect.