quigg can he recover?

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  1. boxingcrazy

    boxingcrazy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    after saturday and the fact that scott quigg fought for 8 + rounds with a broken jaw do you think he can recover? i watched on in pain as ricky burns did a similar thing and he has never been the same fighter and I'm sure everyone will agree with that but could the same thing now happen to quigg?

    i remember barry hearn saying in an interview that scott quigg had everything but he lacked self belief and once he realised that he was a top fighter he would make it to the very top, it showed saturday that he still doesn't have that self belief and that was amplified by him not changing things up himself and waiting for joe gallagher to tell him every move.

    so his lack of self belief won't have been helped by the broken jaw so will scott ever be the same?
     
  2. blundell

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    So Quigg doesn't have the self belief? People are looking at this from the wrong angle. The Frampton fans before this were all telling their mates down the pub it was 50/50.

    It was down to the gameplan. Quigg did barely anything in the first 6 rounds, nor did Carl he was landing the odd jab but mostly hitting Gloves. But, it was enough to nick the rounds.
     
  3. boxingcrazy

    boxingcrazy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm telling you that barry hearn said in an interview with IFL (i think) in quiggs dressing room after a fight that scott quigg has all of the tools but he needs to believe in himself more. that means he lacks self belief:good

    if you really think its all down to tactics then you must think that quigg needs to leave joe gallagher? if it isn't just the fact he lacks self belief because it was a similar to the salinas fight. scotts first really big fight as world champ, top of the bill at a big show, where he did nothing in first 6 rounds then rallied and managed a draw. if it aint self belief then joe needs to go:good
     
  4. No it doesn't. It means that Barry Hearn thinks he does.

    People blame trainers far too often. Surely Quigg cannot have honestly believed he was winning the early rounds?
     
  5. spurs ben316

    spurs ben316 Active Member Full Member

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    Depends who he is matched with 2 times now he has got his tatics badly wrong. Credit for fighting with a busted jaw but u put him in with someone with decent technique and footwork and its a deer in the headlights. Think with Quigg its a bit of self confidence and being torn on instructions and his natural way of fighting.

    If u put him in with flash and the Japanse fighter nps.

    I was at the fight and Quigg looked terriible when he missed. 11th was his only saving grace. I hardly ever gree with johnny but he was bang on about quigg fighting like groves in froch 2nd fight. Stuck between 2 tatics.
     
  6. Robney

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    Yes, broken jaws are bad, but with some rest and medical care...
     
  7. big_daddy

    big_daddy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Physically yes but his entire life was based around what he was a fighter so that makes it a bit of a question mark
     
  8. sharpy

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    Quigg will be fine they have said his jaw will be 100percwnt healed. He didn't get rocked once and won on the punch stats. He can take a lot from this fight and for me he is constantly improving where as frampton has been at the same level for a while and I think has reached his best. In regards to tactics I don't think it's anyone's fault. He was always going to lose the early rounds and I knew he would win the late rounds frampton gassed. The fight was won in the middle rounds and he had to keep his hand pinned to his face so nobody saw his jaw start to swell or he would have been in trouble. The fact is if his jaw want gone he would have pressed earlier and won the fight. He won the rounds he won a lot more convincingly than the rounds frampton won. If he has to earn a rematch by winning another world strap and working his way there then fair play framptons a credible winner but I didn't see anything on Saturday that made me think he's half as special as he or the mcguigans claim
     
  9. N17

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    Quigg will be in Framptons shadow for a long time.

    If he deals with that and all the social media abuse that will come with it then he will be fine, if he can't then he'll struggle.
     
  10. lepinthehood

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    why didnt he throw a punch in the first 6/
    thats just shameful. really he was worried about getting dropped. which is confidence issues. he could of took that fight.

    frampton didnt shine
     
  11. sharpy

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    I don't think that's the case. I think taking his jaw into account he did enough to earn a rematch. He landed a similar amount of punches and won a fair amount of rounds. Some of the rounds frampton was given early were on ring craft and being busy but they could have been 10-10. I'm not disputing frampton won but it was only marginal. They gave Martinez a rematch and he got knocked out. Saying that I don't think they will give quigg a rematch. If I were quigg I would go away and pick up a belt or 2 at super bantam and let frampton do what he's doing at feather weight. If they both win for 18 months or so then stadium fight rematch down the line
     
  12. sharpy

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    I agree with that but he came through with brain Hughes who was very defense conscious. I think he played it too safe being confident in the middle and later rounds being his. Thought they were very closely matched. Still didn't see framptons "boxing clinic" but he was clever the way he tied up/ held etc at the right times
     
  13. N17

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    In hindsight the way Quigg beat Kiko was the worse thing that could have happened to him (combined with Framptons previous performance).

    Quigg saw Frampton get dropped twice by a very unfancied opponent, listened to the rumours about Frampton struggling to make the weight and I believe Quigg thought Frampton was there for the taking almost forgetting Frampton actually got up twice and went on to win that fight very comfortably.

    All the talk before the fight was about Quigg's power, since when did he become a "puncher"? sure he can dig but he isn't a puncher. Frampton was always going to have learnt by his mistakes on his US debut, he is a clever young man and knew what he did wrong and wasn't going to make the same mistakes against Quigg.

    As soon as the bell went Frampton looked so relaxed, walked straight up to Quigg and came forward, took the play right away, he wasn't gun shy and didn't look like a fighter struggling for confidence after being dropped twice in his previous fight, he looked like he didn't have any concerns.

    On the other side Quigg was looking for a huge shot but there wasn't any openings due to Framptons quick feet and appreciation of distance, when Quigg couldn't find that huge shot it looked like he had no other gameplan, didn't even try to make in fight adjustments so he just stuck with it for round after round.

    Exactly what Shane McGuigan said "Quigg has to be told what to do every round".

    It only changed when he was told by Joe Gallagher he was 6-1 down on Sky Sports and he went for broke and risked it because he left it too late for a chance on the cards in my opinion and just went for the stoppage.
     
  14. Furey

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    Don't see a rematch happening and certainly not in a stadium.

    I was buzzing that Frampton won and we seen who the top dog was, Quigg also deserving credit for boxing 8 rounds with a bust jaw but there will be very little public demand for a rematch - the fight didn't live up to expectations.
     
  15. Blobby Nelson

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    N17 doing his best to fit in as many stereotypes and cliches as he can into one post.

    Might as well just have copied of pasted others views.